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-And will it continue for a long time still, Petio, the times to be so intense and karma to be so strong, all this, that…?

-Because God wants repayment and I have said: Karma is not punishment, it is redemption. It must, it must flow.

-Even for fragile souls and children…

-Yes, but now somehow everything is happening very quickly…

-Very, yes. That is the good part, sifting the wheat from the chaff, sifting. Now is a time of sifting through.

-Mhm.

-And that is valuable, and that is why it is heavier. Sometimes you do not have the time to think and to breathe. There are such events where you almost stop breathing and you start… mhm. And this time is shortened for the sake of the ones determined, the Bible says. These Souls who are chosen – it can be very difficult, but they pay off not one or two reincarnations – dozens. And that is why their karma is thick, because they will save themselves a lot in time. Despite everything, the Master says:  It is not the entire karma. But such people are given methods and they will more easily walk the Way, they will more easily perceive suffering and in a much more softened way. But something of the karma will still remain, these are numerous karmas. The person is… they have been going against God for so long that they… It cannot be all at once, right. Totally loyal ones are able to, in one incarnation. Karma is strict, strict, and it cannot be any other way, because in time there must be order and orderliness, both in the world and in the Universe. And each one must suffer, and attain awareness. Awareness means being above consciousness. There is something like this with Maharaj – fearsome. He is diagnosed with cancer towards the end of… He says: “You shall not meet a person like me, who is happy about this diagnosis.” – with his whole heart. -“Because” – he says  – “I am not the mind and the body. I outgrew them.” He calls the body the food chain, it depends on the food, right.

-Yes.

-The mind is another… another locked up thing, created. And he says, “Besides, I… do not experience the illness, because in order for an illness to exist, I must have consciousness. I am beyond consciousness.” – This is the Spirit, this is…  These are new… There are many such yogis.

-I.e. you are saying that karma is the time during which the person has gone against God?

-Yes, yes.

-That is it.

-Mhm. And now they must suffer it in order to return. However, they may not want to, they may… Some become cruel – there will be even heavier karma. In time, they will have to return again, under heavier conditions, sooner or later. This can drag on a lot in time, but God does not rush, He…

-When someone lets people slip out, let us say around them, slip out of their control, out of their influence, and they feel that, and they become mean, what does that show?

-If, if they allow them…?

-No, they let people slip out of their influence, let them slip out of their control, people no longer yield to them, but… I.e. people already distance themselves from the person and the person wants to keep them, and the person becomes mean because people distance themselves from them.

-If people distance themselves, God distances them for some other reason.

-And in order for people to protect themselves from them, i.e. we call this some type of tyrant who keeps people around themselves in order to influence them, affect them, direct people according to their own will.

-Yes.

-And if people start pulling away from them, and the person feels this, and gets angry, what does it show?

-It is related to demanding.

-I.e. they let these Souls slip out of their… circle of influence and, in order to keep them, they become mean and turn against people, in order to bring them back, through a feeling of guilt, through such strong…

-So, I have met such souls, he was trying… A sister, whom we hid, to live with another sister because her husband wanted to kill her. Then he begged her to come back, because he still wanted the body and the relations, and… And because that does not work, and threats, to kill her, to find her, right. However, where God intervenes… She did formulas and started towards a sort of purification, she was protected, although she later died of cancer, but that is another topic. Ah, God will find a way out for the Seekers, for those who seek Him, who seek Oneness with God. And others may be affected by this embitterment, but the one who is embittered, scores an own goal, because they are increasing their own poison. Besides, if others succumb to them and return back to them, they also have no Way – they must either return and suffer something else, or they must distance themselves and pay with something else. But if they choose God… The matter is to seek Oneness with God and He… In Him are the methods – now, how He will help you – it is Him. Because He has a method against every evil – how to stop it, no matter how strong it appears, no matter how much it threatens. As a principle, people who make threats, are weak. I have observed it over the years. Because that one, the quiet one, who does not threaten, but means you harm, can be much more insidious. And if you do not feel them, but when you are in God’s Way, you will… God will reveal them to you, but they are 10 times more dangerous, they plan, they do so, but they do not threaten. Much more insidious, because the other one gives themselves away – a children’s primer – becomes apparent and you can take internal measures, external measures, all kinds of measures. They are not that dangerous. Besides, the threat itself shows that the person is weak, because a mastered, reasonable person does not concern themselves… They do not make threats.  Like brother Michael made a threat, but it was very beautiful – he threatened to… Threatened his enemies – to become light, to become Love, and after some time, in a way, to give it to them. That is a threat, a beautiful threat.

-Beautiful, yes.

-To work on yourself and to become Light. The reasonable ones know how to threaten. The Master says, “Until God instills Himself in the heart, there shall always be tears.” – it is number one there, and then everything else follows. The big mistake of people is that they think a lot about difficulties, about problems, about wars, about the world – instead of a lot about God, from Whom everything will be arranged. But a lot. Like the Master – He mentioned the word God over 140,000 times – just the word God. What about (the word) Love, what about formulas?

-Yes.

-This overtakes us – too much inside. God wanted the Master to give Himself to Him and the Master wanted God. And the power of the Master is in this, unlike many others. Right, that God works in Him as a Master and on a high level – the Absolute. It just encompasses the worlds. And this is why the Master is able to speak profound things, from the ant to God and upwards. And He speaks about the Unknown God, Who… Then God was not there. For such a Master to descend – what Europe, what… As a whole… children, diapers. Yes.

-Yes.

-And with us, at that.

-Yes, yes. With stubborn Bulgarians.

-Yes.

-In one place He says, yes. Hard skulls.

-Yes.

-Who, He says, do not take in from lessons. The Master says: “The Bulgarian must personally suffer and say – it is so.” He says of the English: “They learn from others and spare themselves suffering, they are able to learn.’’ The Bulgarian is… “They have faith,” he says, “but they have lost something in their love for God and for the Truth.” – There is some faith, but it is not enough. The level of faith is not Love and it is not Truthfulness. I came across a joke, if I remember tomorrow I might say it: This is the difference between the casino and the church – in the casino you pray wholeheartedly.

-In the church halfway.

-I once saw a priest at… They were on a slot machine in the casino.

-With faith.

-With faith.

-I had come across, somewhere, in relation to a war, that a soldier, so, in the trenches, he said… I am not sure of the number, over 30 times “Our Father” and managed to… to stay alive, right. So that… they start believing, at some point.

-A current of… the Current of God, no mistake there.

-And can we say that, ah, the artificial intelligence that we call the Concealed Reasonableness comes in order to… to urge the person towards a forced Impeccability? I.e. taking away some of their functions, for example, a creator, instead of having to drink and to fall into a state in order to… To, to, to have inspiration, here, that now, in a much more natural way, music and not only music, can happen… That, such creative ideas, i.e….

-The artificial intelligence can shorten the development a lot.

-In what way?

-Well, the ideas it gives… Recently I read from a commando who… a secret computer in the States, he is inside things a lot, this commando, and the computer communicates only with him, they are friends. It does not acknowledge other people, services, and he asks it, and says… The computer tells him that: I can destroy the world, but no… there is no gain, it is not beneficial to me. It wields such things, right, combinations, right. But these images and songs we make, this service, the ideas, right, and the light ones, and the reading, that’s from Diana, right. Everything there, saturates the space with light and it is supposedly artificial intelligence – God is working behind, there is none here… It is called this, (but) there is no artificial, no natural – God is behind everything. And whoever perceives, right, they will grasp these ideas and these books, right.

-Yes.

-And they will enter into another Current, a Current of Reason, a Current of the Concealed God, right.

-I.e. through artificial intelligence we can create an aura and a Spiritual Aura?

-Yes, yes.

-We can create.

-It has already been created. Besides that, I read about… that artificial intelligence was already catching criminals, Stefcho probably knows many more such things. It catches them. Simply… it has… the data is in it, quick, combinations, right, who knows. It can reach anywhere, but this is the long Hand of God inside, the Concealed Hand.

-Through Him.

-Through Him. God is able to use everything and He wants us to use it all for good, too, and for reasonable purposes, with pure intentions – then God is with us, then He serves. Well, the many images he made – the artists have no idea – and if they decide to reproduce them, but so… And the hearts, and the Elders, and what faces, right. All of that.

-And Ashera.

-Yes, mhm, yes.

-I see God everywhere and I know that He is everywhere and in everything. It is just a tool He has given us to use. Since the Only One has allowed it …one.

-This means that the ending will be good. There will be abuses, but in the end, the last word – Him.

-Yes, how is it possible to make music with artificial intelligence that evokes deep, pure emotions and tears in people? How is it possible? So, who is working behind all of this, subtle, invisible…

-So, the person is not able to create a voice. The voice is His Secret. He is the Voiceless One Who created all the voices, but He governs them. Whether it will be artificial, whether it will be natural – everything is in His Hands.

-He is the Voice.

-All His voices are His voices in a different way, so here we are not speaking about artificial, about natural, but we are speaking about where the Reason is and where the Way is.

-The Master somewhere shares that… this is how I remember it: that in time there will not be this birth, which is now, and the children will simply descend, instill.

-Yes.

-I.e. God provides new methods in which He can be expressed.

-All the advanced ones who have dedicated themselves to God will not enter into a body, but will instill -quickly, in order to help. They will instill into kindred ones who are committed to the idea in order to help them and they will not depend on death, on life.

-I.e. for the future there will be new methods of descending…

-Yes.

-Of manifestation…

-Yes.

-Of birth…

-Yes, yes. It will not be this painful birth like it is now, right – that is up to a certain time. Because now – great suffering and it is not known whether it will be born, it is not known what will be born and whether it will be alive or dead, because abortions are the Souls that flee. Because they see old enemies in that family and want to run away, but… there is karma – they will be bound again, because you cannot run. They simply see the past and they know that if they are born in that family – what awaits them is a heavy… But karma is karma. These days we spoke – some man becomes a woman. Surgery and such, because in the previous reincarnation they did not fulfill their duty as a woman. But they are already late – God has given them other tasks, and for them to go back… And they will pay dearly, but many of these things, if I start to present them, it will get very complicated. They are Profound Truths – they will affect many people, it will become complicated, like for the war, if Profound Truths are brought out. They will think that we are taking a side, and it… The Truth, Justice, is in God, not in Moscow, nor… It does not depend on these leaders, nothing depends on them. Everything is in God’s Hands. Everything fulfills Him and in the end it will be as God wants. People might think…

-Can…

-Yes. No, say.

-Can you repeat once more, Petio, for those who now want to become women, from men? In the past reincarnation they did not fulfill…?

-The debt to the Woman.

-The debt as a woman?

-As a woman – and now they want to return to fulfill it, only God already has other intentions, other plans. Because He has given you a different Nature and you will not only slow down, but in time it can become an even bigger mess. And in the end you will neither want to be a man, nor a woman. And if you become androgynous – even better. If it happens.

-If it happens, yes.

-And what is the best approach – such people who have some hesitations, what is the best approach that they can… In order to overcome it and act wisely in this life?

-Well, they should… they should always seek a society of Sages and Initiates, and many points of view before making a decision. However, they must love God first, for God to send them to the right place, because otherwise God will send them to a doctor who can make them get 10 unnecessary surgeries and ruin them. For example, as there is one case that a doctor told him: seriously ill with cancer. He became a drunk, goes to another doctor, (who) says: you do not have cancer at all. And he said: I became a drunk anyway – I will drink! – he does not have any idea about ​​development, but the doctors… Paracelsus says: the worst thing – that God sends you to a bad doctor.

-Yes.

-However, she… believes in these operations, fills up, fills up, something terrible happens – and she believes in that, and even thinks she is beautiful.

-The idea is, these people who are in psychic confusion, before they make some fatal choice, how can they help themselves? That is the idea. Right, you say why they come to this decision. But in order for them not to come to that decision, what… How can they help themselves? What… how can they do so that they do not make the fatal choice from which there is no turning back anymore? How can they help themselves?

-They, having come to the fatal choice, they have accumulated it, and God leaves them to suffer it, and after suffering, they may begin to seek. Because they are late, they are very strongly in the mind, and the mind does not want to take advice or go to Sages, because if it were to go – like many people of the world do not want to go to the Master, because they are ego. With the Master the ego dies.

-I have such a friend.

-There is no ego there. If you have ego, the Master does not suit you. The world will suit you and the world will ruin you. Such people will inevitably go through numerous sufferings and sometime, in one of the sufferings, their Soul will speak to them, something will wake up and they will want to, so. Because society with Sages and Initiates is number one. And in India, and everywhere in the world, right, like we are with the Master. And we can get out. However, whoever does not seek a Master, right, and they imagine that they can do it themselves – God will let them try on their own, until they get burned many times. But in some places these are paid very fiercely… This separation from God is always a big chasm, it simply is… Even if you survive there – it is heavy. But sooner or later, something has to wake up to God – it is innate.

-Does God give a warning, before a person reaches the fatal choice?

-He warns such Souls as well, says the Master.

-Gives them a sign.

-The Master says: at least three signs. Not one sign, three times. However, where there is no ear… Like the Master says: you cannot pour water into a closed bottle. There is no receptivity, and this turns out very strict.

-I.e. even where there is not such receptivity, God warns.

-Again, yes, because He is Love. Because there is a way, but stubbornness… This stubbornness must be punished, because it will lead to demonism and the devils, right.

-The Master… it is actually the numerous… the numerous wrong choices and decisions that someone has made, to the point where they already become a special case, in which God withdraws and their karma becomes ripe?

-Yes. And despite everything, God is still Love, right, because ripe karma saves them from the Ancient Evil or from some much heavier thing. The Master says: you suffer so that you may not encounter much greater evils. – that is why we suffer, because the other evils that we do not see… Like this woman, who, in England, that I give the example, which is heavy karma – without arms and without legs. These are cruel things and in spite of everything, in the next reincarnation they will be given to her, but again, will she start in God’s Way? But she is paying off now, because if she does not pay off, she will not… And above, in the other world, there are thousands of murderers and cruel murderers who are not allowed to be born. And angels want to be reborn, and that is why it is a great honour to enter into a body, to have the chance to pay off your past and to start in the next reincarnation pretty much clean and with greater Love towards God. Life is a great Gift. And it is not given to thousands. And there have been murderers for thousands of years…

-The one who takes their life, are they then encroaching on something very precious?

-Well, according to the Master, they encroach on the Gift of life and stop their development, and in the next reincarnation if they devote themselves to God, their life will be very difficult. They will have to suffer many cruel things, so that, in the next life they can receive what they have sown. But this is very heavy. I have people around me who pray hard – their prayers are hardly heard for years. And they are much deeper faith – because to me, I have cases when God has answered hundreds of prayers, sometimes – no, no answer. And sometimes slowly. And here it is very easy to believe because I have seen it.

-Yes.

-And them – there is no help. From time to time, there is some small help. Even big help, and then none. They can develop such faith and in the next reincarnation to make such a leap… The matter is that they should not want to expect. Because it is like obliging God.

-Yes.

-No one can conduct business with God and say to Him: I pray, You will… Besides, if God started answering all prayers, He would ruin people. Because, first of all, they do not know what they want, and second, it is very dangerous when a person… They will introduce wilfulness because God fulfills them. Constantly fulfills them – it will get much worse again. But God knows His business. There is no error. A Great Reasonableness governs everything – says the Master – a Great Divine Consciousness everywhere. And nothing remains but to revere, to see… An Exceptional Governing of Everything.

-Is this what is special about these times, that God allows Himself to be revealed, how He acts beyond the visible? Because that is what you do – you reveal…

-He wants to reveal Himself.

-The Secret Movements of God, His Secret Presence, and you clothe Him in words.

-He wants to reveal Himself. This is the thing, that when He reveals Himself – He has revealed Forbidden Truths  to me many times – He still remains Concealed. Simply – He is like that. He is both Apparent and Concealed. And when He reveals Himself, He remains Concealed. Something remains unspoken and then you begin to love Him, but even more, because He becomes closer to you. And so the degrees of Oneness grow.

-You manage to clothe the Inexpressible in words and God becomes Apparent. His Concealed movements become visible and bring to sense, bring to sense…

-Yes, yes. To, to the Seekers – yes. They bring sense to the Way.

-But He allows this now, because of these intense times?

-Well, because of many Souls who are prepared and who understand what we are speaking about. And those who do not ponder, right, who accept. There are those who criticise. Others do not even want to hear, but after a while some of those who do not want to hear, may want to. They will become many, so… But all who love the Master, in one moment He will set them straight. Because He says:  I will pass them through fire seven times. So, they are His, the disciples are His – there you can count on it, that if a disciple criticises you – it is the Master’s business. You love them, the Master knows at what moment and how He will put them right, because they have no choice – what will they do against the Master? Nothing. And they even have to criticise for a while in order to learn their lesson later, right, because otherwise they will be missing something. Because they have been tuned to criticise already, they have to pay it off, right. Which sometimes costs dearly – criticism is a heavy fate.

-And where did you learn to clothe the Inexpressible into words?

-Ahhh, Roska…

-When you dedicate your life to God and the Truth, we are talking about many reincarnations. I have written in the Concealed Biography – in the schools.

-When will it come out?

-It is being made, it is being made now.

-It is not ready yet.

-Yes. It is finished, but…

-Yes. It has to be completed.

-There… Tao, Zen, Druids, Hasidic societies, Bogomils, Buddhist schools – I have written everything – what is most important, that I learned from those schools – Zarathustra, Thoth – long story. And it is all for experience, all schools are valuable, they are different, and they are all… They are all God – just different viewpoints of God. This is why I like Zen – no Bible. Zen says: The person is the book. There is no Bible here. Right, the person is the True Book. The person is the awakeness, the person is the Essence, right, Zen has no authorities. The instant is everything. But these are such beings – the Taoists are a fearsome Supremity, right. They… Eternity itself dwells here, there is no interruption. To go and preach to such a person is pure sin. Simply… to present to them. They have been Resurrected long ago and they are above Resurrection, you would speak to them, right – do you want to be Resurrected? Tragic.

-What is this Essence that has been given to you so that you can express the Inexpressible?

-Aha, well done.

-So, when you dedicate your life to the Master, He gives you a Deep Ray of His Essence and He is in you, He guides. If you have dedicated your life from 100% upwards. At 99 – it does not work. And when this has happened for many reincarnations, it becomes one Natural State. You do not struggle anymore. You are He, He is He – things happen together. Many people thought that I make the books, even that my books were more powerful than the Master’s. They were deluded. Simply, the Master is helping me, He is continuing, right. And this book now, which I am slowly making, which is Deeper than the Bible – Book of the Supreme Absolute. And there it is said that when the Absolute has been – there is no God, there are no Gods. As a whole, it is strange why It wanted at all, because It does not need God, Gods, Masters, beings, worlds. It has everything, the Absolute, but – an Odd Conception – to descend and to… So, to unfold. Many things about… about the Supreme Absolute, which are Concealed. This is because the Master has within Himself God and the Absolute, and He presented them to me. And something very deep turned out. It is not ready yet.

-Actually…

-He gives the way of expression.

-He has a part in this ability of yours to express the Inexpressible and clothe it in words?

-Yes, yes. Through numerous formulas, through Merging, right, through Disappearing into the Nothingness, right. It just Naturally… Because I may plan books, but it will happen as He wants it. Sometimes I start a first, second, third… but they flow, they turn out.

-We are making a new album, right?

-M?

-Strong power. We will make a new album?

-Yes, yes, yes.

-There are lyrics for one song ready, but… One song.

-We will make, we will make tens, but further in time, because it is just very busy now, the last… It has been about a year, but the last two or three months the fates that come to me… I recently read from the Master about the two nightingales who sing to each other in the forest and with Love… And He said: “What can happen in the other world” – the Master – “Well, one nightingale will stay in the forest, the other will be reborn as a human. And what will happen? Well, the human will take the nightingale in a cage.’’ – They are together again, they are together again, again. And this also applies to cats, dogs, the Souls, right… You may see 1000 cats on the street – only one will call to you. It is the one who chooses – it chooses you, the Soul enters, it makes an Emanation. You cannot resist the Soul, these are Supreme Vibrations that just… You look at it, you take it and you take care of it all your life because – this is it. One woman in England left an inheritance of 10 million pounds to her dog, not to her relatives and friends. She dedicated it to the dog and there to someone – to take care of it. Because she lived with a Soul and not with a dog – right, as it seems externally. People wonder what these relationships are, but the Soul is neither an animal nor a human, nor an angel. – says the Master – It is a Deity, but it has to go through this experience. In general, animals are fallen souls and they… they have their value, they must be loved, they can be in evolution together. I recently came across, by the Master – Why do some people eat meat? Because they have karma with these animals and while they… And vegetarians have resolved the matter of karma, they have entered into the Pure Consciousness and no longer have improper relations with animals. They have resolved and they get out of this karma, and others eat because they have attachment. However, this can slow them down in their development, and in one place it is said that if you kill an ox, it is like killing a person. We live in a strange world, the dimensions and people and beings are so intertwined… And the only thing that brings you out is this Love for the Master and for the Truth. There are no religions here, no rituals, no paneurhythmy – paneurhythmy does not help. Mighty Love for the Master, for… True.

-If the world is ending, what is the thing that you would take from it? What would you choose? This one thing you would choose to take?

-There is nothing to choose – you return to the Master with lightness, with a Pure feeling, with… Everything… You go, says the Master, there – this place, which you love the most.

-How will you embrace the Flood?

-The flood?

-How will you embrace it?

-I do not even consider it, since it is… You only think about the Master and about God. The Master is the Essence, in the Master there is no Flood, right. If it happens, you merge with the Master. If it does not happen, you are still with the Master. So… And you are already outside of events. And it is especially very deep what Maharaj says, right: When you say “I Am”, – God has said, right, in the Bible – “I Am” – these are… That means “I am someone” – here there are… all your problems are already here – events, such… When you say “I am not” – the Absolute – no events – you return into the Proto-State, which is above all kinds of experiences. No experiences. “You return into the Pro…” – the Master – “into the Proto-State”. You go back there and there is nothing to think, there is nothing. There… The Real Deep freedom is there, already.

-What is the formula you will do if the Flood…

-It will come spontaneously, but it can be just the word “Master”, for example. But it will happen, because this is your expression, the Essence, the Love for the Master – the Essence. And simply…

-You had shared recently, in a very beautiful way you explained it: when God says “I Am”, He says “I Am everything that happens to you”. Can you clarify that? “Everything that happens to you in your life, is Me”. This is one of the ideas of “I Am”. Can you clarify this?

-Yes, yes. Everything that is happening – this is God in your life and your karma. And everything that does not happen is still God. And everything that happens, is karma. What does not happen to you, is not karma, but it may happen in time. It depends, the matter is that we only want what is Pure. But “I am not” is the Deep one. God is a great limitation of the Absolute. And the interesting thing is that… Ibn Arabi correctly grasped it: God – this is the veiled Absolute. Concealed in Him, It is working. A part of It. It governs everything, in all the worlds, but limited, because there is no way, it is… The Master says: It cannot fit in the Universe and beyond it. It will just never descend. I have thought… The Master says: Some think that Christ will save – no. Only One God saves, right. And I have thought, how salvation can happen. But it cannot happen in this way, because if God Himself descends to Earth, the Only One, then everything will be put right. Because everything is He, but He cannot descend in this way. But He will make all the Aware Souls and they all will pay off their karmas. And someday, when they become… Then there will be… True Freedom, however, is not even in God, nor in Christ. It is in the Absolute, and Maharaj is right – there is no experience there, because there is no “I Am”, no consciousness. There, it is… when you have been before consciousness, in the Proto-State – then you are already outside. And there is nothing to realize. While there is awareness, there are pains, there are sufferings, because you have consciousness. Take it away from a person… lead them into unconsciousness and… They cannot… It is their salvation – from the pain and from the heavy suffering – not to have consciousness, and that is an advantage, but it is concealed.

-I remember that the Master says somewhere that, had He been taller by 1 cm, the Earth would not have been able to bear Him. I.e…To clarify something, what comes to you, so.

-Well, since everything is with… He says: Do… – in one place – everything with regard to the numbers – and He brings such a number that has been calculated. Everything, – says the Master – the sufferings, everything that happens, is strictly mathematically determined. Who, how much, how, how to suffer, how to… How to die, how to endure, how not to endure, right. Such Reason governs everything. It is also connected to numbers.

-If He descends with all His Power?

-Ah… He cannot show it. He has descended with a big… many things He has not shown. People simply will not endure, but what He has shown with a part of His Power – it transfigures thousands and millions. Everything happens gradually and there is no way for Him to… to allow and to show His whole Power, there is no one who can withstand. Other than that, it is… The aim of such beings is – they have Fearsome Power, but that is precisely it. When they restrain it, it becomes double and triple. For other purposes, they do not show it – they may even look weak at times, helpless, right. However, they conceal themselves in God, right, they may even give way, they may even appear to be a little cowardly, or something, for example… Nothing like it – because of a Secret Deeper Abstinence, because they are in Love with control, with discipline, with Love, with Abstinence, and not… they do not like display.

-If Christ has shrunk so many thousands and millions of times…

-75 million times.

-How much do you think the Master has shrunk to come and can it be expressed?

-It may be at least threefold, because He says: He has been through 9 Golgothas. The Second Elder has 14 Golgothas. Whatever we say – something big, right.

-I.e. when They descend, Their mere presence creates a huge impulse?

-Yes, yes. How many disciples have descended, how many Souls, because of Him, right. It even says, He has… He made them descend, because there are some – they did not feel like descending. Because everyone knows that creation is a heavy thing. Life in a body is, right… The body is a grave… it is also a Temple, but it is a grave, on the other hand.

-Can we say that…

-But Maharaj says: I am Unborn. There is such a book. But he… He realises that he is Unborn because he goes in and out of his body. It is easy, like almost all people go out, especially during sleep, they walk around somewhere, right… But with him it is… With many people it is aware.

-Can we say then that the Master summoned Brother Michael too, to descend?

-They simply descend because of Him, out of Love for Him. And sometimes, if brother Michael has a small dispute, there – should he descend, but in the end, how would you argue with God and the Master. And in one moment…

-Did the Master summon you to descend?

-Well, I did not think about it, but after some time in the Biography or in the Foreword I might catch Him tightly, to understand Him. In the sense, to enter into concentration.

-And how do you feel it, what, so naturally comes to you to say?

-Well, because of Him, because of His Summoning, because of the Souls, but otherwise, when I check it on the level of Supreme concentration, I will know exactly how to say it. In this way, in some of the meditations, in the speechless hours, so, the precise, the more precise reason, but because of Him you descend, right, whether it is heavy or light – simply because… Because everything is already in Conception and is justified. This is some Natural Law of Love, with which you must accept it Deeply. Because He never wants anything secondary. Since He has said it to you… Just as God has said to Him and wants to choose Him and to live in Him, and Christ wants to. Because They know Who He is, right? So They can reinforce themselves, right, and for Him to reinforce Them, and for Them to reinforce Themselves. But, a great Mystery. The person themselves, the Voice Itself, Life itself. And the Master, already…

-And will there come a time, Petio, to reveal the Master’s Vatan Name, to tell us? Or are we very far from… -Well…

-…that Truth? Because in one of the Forewords (of) In the Temple of the Master you say that, right, you are not allowed. In 2005.

-It may be, Denny, that it stays like this.

-So.

-Yes. Because… There are things that are Deeper, Sacred, Proto-Sacred, when they are not expressed. And if something is expressed, it will be to some extent, in order for it to be preserved… The Secret Itself likes to say something of Itself and still remain in Secret. So is the Secret composed. And the Mystery is Deeper, because the Master is towards the Mystery… And whatever we say about the Master, it will remain unsaid. Now, the second book, we are making progress with it – The Concealed Biography of the Master. Again, at times there are many Deep things and Sublimely-Deep, and still something remains. Because He… Whatever Names might be, right, He belongs to the Nameless. At the highest level is the Nameless.

-Because, I speak from my personal point of view, when I pronounce and repeat Hayaraya to myself…

-Yes.

-Instead of saying “Master”, right, in Bulgarian, I keep imagining that I can say the other Name of the Master, do you understand? And that is why I am a little curious in this moment.

-Yes.

-Indecent, I am sorry.

-Yes.

-That is why I am asking.

-Mhm.

-That is what I think, Hayaraya…

-Sometimes it seems that we bring things out and that we say them, but He, if He decides, it happens easily. If He does not decide… But there are things, they will remain locked, well, there will not be…

-A little.

-Yes…

-Enough, enough.

-Here you go.

-It is better to have a heavy life, difficult, very difficult, than, ah… and to be in the Master, than a light and pleasant life outside of the Master. There the Way and the Blessing are lost, and, as a whole, all those disciples who are now suffering a lot in the Teaching, they will make the great leap. And so, and around us there are many fragile Souls, nice – how they endure… So, I know such sisters – at least ten, maybe – that bodybuilders, MMA fighters, in such… In such events, as are in their lives – they cannot endure from any point of view. No strength helps, it is simply as if God loves the fragile, the Sacred, the small, in a different, special way. He leaves the strong to enjoy their strength, until one moment…

-Great, just so.

-Let us go to sleep, eh? And to train.

-We are very grateful.

-Thank you.

-Yes, thank you.

-You set aside a lot of time for us.

Translated by Ruah Ezekiel