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Questions of the children towards Eleazar, pt 14 – 26.10.2024
Shining’s questions
Tell us of the God of the Desert? What did God make words out of? There is the Proto-Mother, the Proto-Father, the Proto-Eldress, the Proto-Elders. Who is the Proto-Child?
-Let us start with a formula, to guard ourselves?
-Yes, sure.
-Hello, friends, today is the 14th part of our series Questions of the Children towards Eleazar. We continue with Shining’s questions, who is already seven years old. But before that, let us ask Eleazar: How would you explain the Idea that everything exists and happens inside the Master? And that all events and phenomena – that is Him, the Master?
-The word Master is a Name of God, on a higher level – of the Absolute, and actually this is the Source. And everything simply exists in the Source – it originates from there, it returns there without even having a choice. Everything will return into God. There are no living or dead here – the Source is One.
-Yes, thank you. And so, we begin with Shining’s questions. The first one: Tell us about the God of the desert?
-The God of the desert is a Great Tester. The desert is a peculiar place – the Homeland of Nothingness. The desert is a Special Thought of God. The desert is Something in God, and not something in itself. The important thing here is whether you are in God. If you are in Love, if you are in God, the desert embraces you. In the desert, Love towards God is everything. The desert appears as a physical place, but it is an otherworldly place; it is a part of the Nothingness. The desert is the Homeland of the Spirit, the desert is a part of the Nothingness – our Ancient Home of the Spirit. The beauty of the desert is immaterial, and here water is not drunk – as we wrote in that book, “Aphorisms of the desert” – here water is not drunk, but is kissed and embraced. The desert is Paradise – not because of the water, but because of Freedom. The desert is the Nothingness that heals us from creation. The Spirit of the person is born in the desert – in the Nothingness. In the Nothingness, the Invisible, we live; in the visible, we die. The world is a body, the desert is the Nothingness, Pure Spirit. The desert says, “Water is a Saint that sacrifices itself, in order to give Life.” Ibrahim al-Koni says, one of the great experts of the desert: “Do not seek anything that is not found in your heart.”
-Just, I had a thought, now – what, then, is the oasis a symbol of, which sometimes seems like an illusion?
-The Living Heart of the person.
-The oasis in the desert?
-Yes, if you have the oasis – it is all the same whether you encounter it externally. Like a Sage, when they enter the desert, they enter into God – into Himself. They have everything, the desert itself does not even exist.
-And why, at times, does it seem like that oasis is a mirage – in fact it is not there?
-Because they are seeking their heart.
-Yes, so, the next question: What did God make Words out of?
-The Master says: Letters, words, language descended to the world in a special way. Languages were not created on Earth. They descended from the Invisible world. And the language of each nation is composed according to their development. The Master says: The words you use must be golden. If you frequently pronounce the word Graciousness, within a year a great Transfiguration will occur within you. The Master says: Each word has meaning when it has been experienced. In sorrow, say several times: AUM – Unity. Unity has a Wellspring – it has a Wellspring, and this Wellspring touches you. I will explain: Ancient Words, Divine Words, come from a Concealed Wellspring. They are created by the Source, they are Its Breaths. AUM is a Word of the Primordial Unity – Unity with the Source of Life. Words contain Grace or poison. Pure words recreate us, while impure ones make us created and kill us, make us sick, and so on… Because words are living beings – spirits that have crept into you due to a lack of control. Bad words are destructive spirits because they have lost Love and God – their Master. Look at your words and see what words and beings you have connected to. Even the smallest criticism or hatred – you are already captured, the matter is of even the smallest one. And this leads to illnesses in time, but that is the least, because you are unaware. Here, you already have no right to pronounce the Word Master, God, and so on… Everything requires such responsibility. Through words and through the very hatred and criticism, you are already an enemy of yourself – before all else, an enemy of yourself. And so, the first practice for the created ones is the purification of words, i.e. of the spirits. And that is why people are sent to Earth to learn the letters, the words, the word, the alphabet. And that is why the Master gives the Word Anzoher – it means Think Right. I interpret it as: return into God, into your Centre, into your Essence, into your Primordial Purity. That is it.
-Yes, and could that song “Graciousness,” that you created, could it instil, heal…
-Yes, all these songs are healing – and these 13 that we did – and especially the last one, “Be Mystery,” and “Isis.” They are all are healing – whoever hears them, if they tune into focus. If they tune to the artificial intelligence or to someone, to the mind – even if they like the songs, or dislike them, they already lose, they lose the meaning, they lose…
-I.e. it is important to listen to them with Soul?
-You must listen to everything with Soul because Absolutely everything is the Voice of God – even the rock. Everything is the Voice of God.
-Yes, everything is the Voice of God. Fantastic. So, Shining’s third question: There is the Proto-Mother, the Proto-Father, the Proto-Eldress, the Proto-Elders – who is the Proto-Child?
-So, the Proto-Mother is Love, the Proto-Father is Wisdom. The Proto-Eldress is Love-Wisdom and therefore She says, “Love is deeper than all Pure Actions” – Ashera. The Proto-Elders are a Great Sublime-Wisdom, which is immersed in the Mystery. And the Proto-Child is the Pure-Born Truth, and It says, like Christ: Ena, Ena, Urha Sherara Khaye (Aramaic). I am, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. I will explain, because it is not the expression that is important, but the deep and concealed meaning, the interpretation. And so: The Way – this means Penetrating into God. The Truth is the Creator of Freedom and the Right Development. This is the Way towards the Abyss and towards the Boundlessness. And Life – this is the Mystery, the Primordial Quintessence, the Elixir. There is also another Secret, deeper interpretation, but only if the Master allows me to. And another thing, I have spoken about Lakhma – the Daily Bread (Aramaic), in old lectures – I’ll just mention it here. Lakhma, or the Daily Bread, means: Grant us a Deep Understanding of things. Nothing to do with bread and dough, and so on. The Deep Understanding is Peace. And Peace is the other Name for Lakhma, the Daily Bread. There are great Secrets in words and in the interpretation. I will just hint: Ihrish Ben Rut. The external interpretation is: Only Your Will, but internally, in the Depths, it is entirely different: the whole White Brotherhood – not just the part that is on Earth, and in the Invisible world, they do not know this interpretation. But I stop here, because the Depths are a Fearsome Thing – trouble even for spiritual people. The Truth can kill spiritual people too, and not to mention religious, worldly, theologians, who do not know at all. So, only to the Truth and to the Pure Proto-Child, in the Essential sense of the word, it is given to penetrate into all these things. And this is very simple, because the Proto-Child is born of the Truth.
-So you, through the Proto-Child within yourself, you penetrate these Deep Truths?
-Yes, It is a Symbol of the Primordial Purity and of Truthfulness itself. And there things are known, because it is natural…
-Yes, one of the songs you created was about Christ. It became very powerful: Lord Jesus Christ, shine incessantly within me.
-Yes.
-Very powerful.
-Yes, yes…
-Okay, for next month, Presiyan, who is seven years old, will be our guest with his questions. We will read two of them, and you will answer next month: When did God live?, one question, and – How does Eleazar know so much? Other than from the Proto-Child within himself?
-Yes, childlike beauty – these are questions – childlike beauty.
-But Eleazar’s answer to this and other questions – in our next conversation. And just to ask you: would you share, from the songs we created, the thirteen, is there one that particularly impressed you so far, resonates with you?
-Yes, in general, I do not divide them – I do not have a divisive consciousness – and all are a form of Ascension of different types of Souls. But – “Isis” and especially the last song: “Be Mystery” – they are the two most…
-Let us hint that you are making a new album, preparing.
-Slowly, yes.
-Yes, well, thank you very much.
-Yes, yes, me too.
Translated by Ruah Ezekiel
