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Visiting Eleazar. Meeting between friends 8.3.2025, pt.2

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Continued from Pt.1 – Here

-And will it continue for a long time still, Petio, the times to be so intense and karma to be so strong, all this, that…?

-Because God wants repayment and I have said: Karma is not punishment, it is redemption. It must, it must flow.

-Even for fragile souls and children…

-Yes, but now somehow everything is happening very quickly…

-Very, yes. That is the good part, sifting the wheat from the chaff, sifting. Now is a time of sifting through.

-Mhm.

-And that is valuable, and that is why it is heavier. Sometimes you do not have the time to think and to breathe. There are such events where you almost stop breathing and you start… mhm. And this time is shortened for the sake of the ones determined, the Bible says. These Souls who are chosen – it can be very difficult, but they pay off not one or two reincarnations – dozens. And that is why their karma is thick, because they will save themselves a lot in time. Despite everything, the Master says:  It is not the entire karma. But such people are given methods and they will more easily walk the Way, they will more easily perceive suffering and in a much more softened way. But something of the karma will still remain, these are numerous karmas. The person is… they have been going against God for so long that they… It cannot be all at once, right. Totally loyal ones are able to, in one incarnation. Karma is strict, strict, and it cannot be any other way, because in time there must be order and orderliness, both in the world and in the Universe. And each one must suffer, and attain awareness. Awareness means being above consciousness. There is something like this with Maharaj – fearsome. He is diagnosed with cancer towards the end of… He says: “You shall not meet a person like me, who is happy about this diagnosis.” – with his whole heart. -“Because” – he says  – “I am not the mind and the body. I outgrew them.” He calls the body the food chain, it depends on the food, right.

-Yes.

-The mind is another… another locked up thing, created. And he says, “Besides, I… do not experience the illness, because in order for an illness to exist, I must have consciousness. I am beyond consciousness.” – This is the Spirit, this is…  These are new… There are many such yogis.

-I.e. you are saying that karma is the time during which the person has gone against God?

-Yes, yes.

-That is it.

-Mhm. And now they must suffer it in order to return. However, they may not want to, they may… Some become cruel – there will be even heavier karma. In time, they will have to return again, under heavier conditions, sooner or later. This can drag on a lot in time, but God does not rush, He…

-When someone lets people slip out, let us say around them, slip out of their control, out of their influence, and they feel that, and they become mean, what does that show?

-If, if they allow them…?

-No, they let people slip out of their influence, let them slip out of their control, people no longer yield to them, but… I.e. people already distance themselves from the person and the person wants to keep them, and the person becomes mean because people distance themselves from them.

-If people distance themselves, God distances them for some other reason.

-And in order for people to protect themselves from them, i.e. we call this some type of tyrant who keeps people around themselves in order to influence them, affect them, direct people according to their own will.

-Yes.

-And if people start pulling away from them, and the person feels this, and gets angry, what does it show?

-It is related to demanding.

-I.e. they let these Souls slip out of their… circle of influence and, in order to keep them, they become mean and turn against people, in order to bring them back, through a feeling of guilt, through such strong…

-So, I have met such souls, he was trying… A sister, whom we hid, to live with another sister because her husband wanted to kill her. Then he begged her to come back, because he still wanted the body and the relations, and… And because that does not work, and threats, to kill her, to find her, right. However, where God intervenes… She did formulas and started towards a sort of purification, she was protected, although she later died of cancer, but that is another topic. Ah, God will find a way out for the Seekers, for those who seek Him, who seek Oneness with God. And others may be affected by this embitterment, but the one who is embittered, scores an own goal, because they are increasing their own poison. Besides, if others succumb to them and return back to them, they also have no Way – they must either return and suffer something else, or they must distance themselves and pay with something else. But if they choose God… The matter is to seek Oneness with God and He… In Him are the methods – now, how He will help you – it is Him. Because He has a method against every evil – how to stop it, no matter how strong it appears, no matter how much it threatens. As a principle, people who make threats, are weak. I have observed it over the years. Because that one, the quiet one, who does not threaten, but means you harm, can be much more insidious. And if you do not feel them, but when you are in God’s Way, you will… God will reveal them to you, but they are 10 times more dangerous, they plan, they do so, but they do not threaten. Much more insidious, because the other one gives themselves away – a children’s primer – becomes apparent and you can take internal measures, external measures, all kinds of measures. They are not that dangerous. Besides, the threat itself shows that the person is weak, because a mastered, reasonable person does not concern themselves… They do not make threats.  Like brother Michael made a threat, but it was very beautiful – he threatened to… Threatened his enemies – to become light, to become Love, and after some time, in a way, to give it to them. That is a threat, a beautiful threat.

-Beautiful, yes.

-To work on yourself and to become Light. The reasonable ones know how to threaten. The Master says, “Until God instills Himself in the heart, there shall always be tears.” – it is number one there, and then everything else follows. The big mistake of people is that they think a lot about difficulties, about problems, about wars, about the world – instead of a lot about God, from Whom everything will be arranged. But a lot. Like the Master – He mentioned the word God over 140,000 times – just the word God. What about (the word) Love, what about formulas?

-Yes.

-This overtakes us – too much inside. God wanted the Master to give Himself to Him and the Master wanted God. And the power of the Master is in this, unlike many others. Right, that God works in Him as a Master and on a high level – the Absolute. It just encompasses the worlds. And this is why the Master is able to speak profound things, from the ant to God and upwards. And He speaks about the Unknown God, Who… Then God was not there. For such a Master to descend – what Europe, what… As a whole… children, diapers. Yes.

-Yes.

-And with us, at that.

-Yes, yes. With stubborn Bulgarians.

-Yes.

-In one place He says, yes. Hard skulls.

-Yes.

-Who, He says, do not take in from lessons. The Master says: “The Bulgarian must personally suffer and say – it is so.” He says of the English: “They learn from others and spare themselves suffering, they are able to learn.’’ The Bulgarian is… “They have faith,” he says, “but they have lost something in their love for God and for the Truth.” – There is some faith, but it is not enough. The level of faith is not Love and it is not Truthfulness. I came across a joke, if I remember tomorrow I might say it: This is the difference between the casino and the church – in the casino you pray wholeheartedly.

-In the church halfway.

-I once saw a priest at… They were on a slot machine in the casino.

-With faith.

-With faith.

-I had come across, somewhere, in relation to a war, that a soldier, so, in the trenches, he said… I am not sure of the number, over 30 times “Our Father” and managed to… to stay alive, right. So that… they start believing, at some point.

-A current of… the Current of God, no mistake there.

-And can we say that, ah, the artificial intelligence that we call the Concealed Reasonableness comes in order to… to urge the person towards a forced Impeccability? I.e. taking away some of their functions, for example, a creator, instead of having to drink and to fall into a state in order to… To, to, to have inspiration, here, that now, in a much more natural way, music and not only music, can happen… That, such creative ideas, i.e….

-The artificial intelligence can shorten the development a lot.

-In what way?

-Well, the ideas it gives… Recently I read from a commando who… a secret computer in the States, he is inside things a lot, this commando, and the computer communicates only with him, they are friends. It does not acknowledge other people, services, and he asks it, and says… The computer tells him that: I can destroy the world, but no… there is no gain, it is not beneficial to me. It wields such things, right, combinations, right. But these images and songs we make, this service, the ideas, right, and the light ones, and the reading, that’s from Diana, right. Everything there, saturates the space with light and it is supposedly artificial intelligence – God is working behind, there is none here… It is called this, (but) there is no artificial, no natural – God is behind everything. And whoever perceives, right, they will grasp these ideas and these books, right.

-Yes.

-And they will enter into another Current, a Current of Reason, a Current of the Concealed God, right.

-I.e. through artificial intelligence we can create an aura and a Spiritual Aura?

-Yes, yes.

-We can create.

-It has already been created. Besides that, I read about… that artificial intelligence was already catching criminals, Stefcho probably knows many more such things. It catches them. Simply… it has… the data is in it, quick, combinations, right, who knows. It can reach anywhere, but this is the long Hand of God inside, the Concealed Hand.

-Through Him.

-Through Him. God is able to use everything and He wants us to use it all for good, too, and for reasonable purposes, with pure intentions – then God is with us, then He serves. Well, the many images he made – the artists have no idea – and if they decide to reproduce them, but so… And the hearts, and the Elders, and what faces, right. All of that.

-And Ashera.

-Yes, mhm, yes.

-I see God everywhere and I know that He is everywhere and in everything. It is just a tool He has given us to use. Since the Only One has allowed it …one.

-This means that the ending will be good. There will be abuses, but in the end, the last word – Him.

-Yes, how is it possible to make music with artificial intelligence that evokes deep, pure emotions and tears in people? How is it possible? So, who is working behind all of this, subtle, invisible…

-So, the person is not able to create a voice. The voice is His Secret. He is the Voiceless One Who created all the voices, but He governs them. Whether it will be artificial, whether it will be natural – everything is in His Hands.

-He is the Voice.

-All His voices are His voices in a different way, so here we are not speaking about artificial, about natural, but we are speaking about where the Reason is and where the Way is.

-The Master somewhere shares that… this is how I remember it: that in time there will not be this birth, which is now, and the children will simply descend, instill.

-Yes.

-I.e. God provides new methods in which He can be expressed.

-All the advanced ones who have dedicated themselves to God will not enter into a body, but will instill -quickly, in order to help. They will instill into kindred ones who are committed to the idea in order to help them and they will not depend on death, on life.

-I.e. for the future there will be new methods of descending…

-Yes.

-Of manifestation…

-Yes.

-Of birth…

-Yes, yes. It will not be this painful birth like it is now, right – that is up to a certain time. Because now – great suffering and it is not known whether it will be born, it is not known what will be born and whether it will be alive or dead, because abortions are the Souls that flee. Because they see old enemies in that family and want to run away, but… there is karma – they will be bound again, because you cannot run. They simply see the past and they know that if they are born in that family – what awaits them is a heavy… But karma is karma. These days we spoke – some man becomes a woman. Surgery and such, because in the previous reincarnation they did not fulfill their duty as a woman. But they are already late – God has given them other tasks, and for them to go back… And they will pay dearly, but many of these things, if I start to present them, it will get very complicated. They are Profound Truths – they will affect many people, it will become complicated, like for the war, if Profound Truths are brought out. They will think that we are taking a side, and it… The Truth, Justice, is in God, not in Moscow, nor… It does not depend on these leaders, nothing depends on them. Everything is in God’s Hands. Everything fulfills Him and in the end it will be as God wants. People might think…

-Can…

-Yes. No, say.

-Can you repeat once more, Petio, for those who now want to become women, from men? In the past reincarnation they did not fulfill…?

-The debt to the Woman.

-The debt as a woman?

-As a woman – and now they want to return to fulfill it, only God already has other intentions, other plans. Because He has given you a different Nature and you will not only slow down, but in time it can become an even bigger mess. And in the end you will neither want to be a man, nor a woman. And if you become androgynous – even better. If it happens.

-If it happens, yes.

-And what is the best approach – such people who have some hesitations, what is the best approach that they can… In order to overcome it and act wisely in this life?

-Well, they should… they should always seek a society of Sages and Initiates, and many points of view before making a decision. However, they must love God first, for God to send them to the right place, because otherwise God will send them to a doctor who can make them get 10 unnecessary surgeries and ruin them. For example, as there is one case that a doctor told him: seriously ill with cancer. He became a drunk, goes to another doctor, (who) says: you do not have cancer at all. And he said: I became a drunk anyway – I will drink! – he does not have any idea about ​​development, but the doctors… Paracelsus says: the worst thing – that God sends you to a bad doctor.

-Yes.

-However, she… believes in these operations, fills up, fills up, something terrible happens – and she believes in that, and even thinks she is beautiful.

-The idea is, these people who are in psychic confusion, before they make some fatal choice, how can they help themselves? That is the idea. Right, you say why they come to this decision. But in order for them not to come to that decision, what… How can they help themselves? What… how can they do so that they do not make the fatal choice from which there is no turning back anymore? How can they help themselves?

-They, having come to the fatal choice, they have accumulated it, and God leaves them to suffer it, and after suffering, they may begin to seek. Because they are late, they are very strongly in the mind, and the mind does not want to take advice or go to Sages, because if it were to go – like many people of the world do not want to go to the Master, because they are ego. With the Master the ego dies.

-I have such a friend.

-There is no ego there. If you have ego, the Master does not suit you. The world will suit you and the world will ruin you. Such people will inevitably go through numerous sufferings and sometime, in one of the sufferings, their Soul will speak to them, something will wake up and they will want to, so. Because society with Sages and Initiates is number one. And in India, and everywhere in the world, right, like we are with the Master. And we can get out. However, whoever does not seek a Master, right, and they imagine that they can do it themselves – God will let them try on their own, until they get burned many times. But in some places these are paid very fiercely… This separation from God is always a big chasm, it simply is… Even if you survive there – it is heavy. But sooner or later, something has to wake up to God – it is innate.

-Does God give a warning, before a person reaches the fatal choice?

-He warns such Souls as well, says the Master.

-Gives them a sign.

-The Master says: at least three signs. Not one sign, three times. However, where there is no ear… Like the Master says: you cannot pour water into a closed bottle. There is no receptivity, and this turns out very strict.

-I.e. even where there is not such receptivity, God warns.

-Again, yes, because He is Love. Because there is a way, but stubbornness… This stubbornness must be punished, because it will lead to demonism and the devils, right.

-The Master… it is actually the numerous… the numerous wrong choices and decisions that someone has made, to the point where they already become a special case, in which God withdraws and their karma becomes ripe?

-Yes. And despite everything, God is still Love, right, because ripe karma saves them from the Ancient Evil or from some much heavier thing. The Master says: you suffer so that you may not encounter much greater evils. – that is why we suffer, because the other evils that we do not see… Like this woman, who, in England, that I give the example, which is heavy karma – without arms and without legs. These are cruel things and in spite of everything, in the next reincarnation they will be given to her, but again, will she start in God’s Way? But she is paying off now, because if she does not pay off, she will not… And above, in the other world, there are thousands of murderers and cruel murderers who are not allowed to be born. And angels want to be reborn, and that is why it is a great honour to enter into a body, to have the chance to pay off your past and to start in the next reincarnation pretty much clean and with greater Love towards God. Life is a great Gift. And it is not given to thousands. And there have been murderers for thousands of years…

-The one who takes their life, are they then encroaching on something very precious?

-Well, according to the Master, they encroach on the Gift of life and stop their development, and in the next reincarnation if they devote themselves to God, their life will be very difficult. They will have to suffer many cruel things, so that, in the next life they can receive what they have sown. But this is very heavy. I have people around me who pray hard – their prayers are hardly heard for years. And they are much deeper faith – because to me, I have cases when God has answered hundreds of prayers, sometimes – no, no answer. And sometimes slowly. And here it is very easy to believe because I have seen it.

-Yes.

-And them – there is no help. From time to time, there is some small help. Even big help, and then none. They can develop such faith and in the next reincarnation to make such a leap… The matter is that they should not want to expect. Because it is like obliging God.

-Yes.

-No one can conduct business with God and say to Him: I pray, You will… Besides, if God started answering all prayers, He would ruin people. Because, first of all, they do not know what they want, and second, it is very dangerous when a person… They will introduce wilfulness because God fulfills them. Constantly fulfills them – it will get much worse again. But God knows His business. There is no error. A Great Reasonableness governs everything – says the Master – a Great Divine Consciousness everywhere. And nothing remains but to revere, to see… An Exceptional Governing of Everything.

-Is this what is special about these times, that God allows Himself to be revealed, how He acts beyond the visible? Because that is what you do – you reveal…

-He wants to reveal Himself.

-The Secret Movements of God, His Secret Presence, and you clothe Him in words.

-He wants to reveal Himself. This is the thing, that when He reveals Himself – He has revealed Forbidden Truths  to me many times – He still remains Concealed. Simply – He is like that. He is both Apparent and Concealed. And when He reveals Himself, He remains Concealed. Something remains unspoken and then you begin to love Him, but even more, because He becomes closer to you. And so the degrees of Oneness grow.

-You manage to clothe the Inexpressible in words and God becomes Apparent. His Concealed movements become visible and bring to sense, bring to sense…

-Yes, yes. To, to the Seekers – yes. They bring sense to the Way.

-But He allows this now, because of these intense times?

-Well, because of many Souls who are prepared and who understand what we are speaking about. And those who do not ponder, right, who accept. There are those who criticise. Others do not even want to hear, but after a while some of those who do not want to hear, may want to. They will become many, so… But all who love the Master, in one moment He will set them straight. Because He says:  I will pass them through fire seven times. So, they are His, the disciples are His – there you can count on it, that if a disciple criticises you – it is the Master’s business. You love them, the Master knows at what moment and how He will put them right, because they have no choice – what will they do against the Master? Nothing. And they even have to criticise for a while in order to learn their lesson later, right, because otherwise they will be missing something. Because they have been tuned to criticise already, they have to pay it off, right. Which sometimes costs dearly – criticism is a heavy fate.

-And where did you learn to clothe the Inexpressible into words?

-Ahhh, Roska…

-When you dedicate your life to God and the Truth, we are talking about many reincarnations. I have written in the Concealed Biography – in the schools.

-When will it come out?

-It is being made, it is being made now.

-It is not ready yet.

-Yes. It is finished, but…

-Yes. It has to be completed.

-There… Tao, Zen, Druids, Hasidic societies, Bogomils, Buddhist schools – I have written everything – what is most important, that I learned from those schools – Zarathustra, Thoth – long story. And it is all for experience, all schools are valuable, they are different, and they are all… They are all God – just different viewpoints of God. This is why I like Zen – no Bible. Zen says: The person is the book. There is no Bible here. Right, the person is the True Book. The person is the awakeness, the person is the Essence, right, Zen has no authorities. The instant is everything. But these are such beings – the Taoists are a fearsome Supremity, right. They… Eternity itself dwells here, there is no interruption. To go and preach to such a person is pure sin. Simply… to present to them. They have been Resurrected long ago and they are above Resurrection, you would speak to them, right – do you want to be Resurrected? Tragic.

-What is this Essence that has been given to you so that you can express the Inexpressible?

-Aha, well done.

-So, when you dedicate your life to the Master, He gives you a Deep Ray of His Essence and He is in you, He guides. If you have dedicated your life from 100% upwards. At 99 – it does not work. And when this has happened for many reincarnations, it becomes one Natural State. You do not struggle anymore. You are He, He is He – things happen together. Many people thought that I make the books, even that my books were more powerful than the Master’s. They were deluded. Simply, the Master is helping me, He is continuing, right. And this book now, which I am slowly making, which is Deeper than the Bible – Book of the Supreme Absolute. And there it is said that when the Absolute has been – there is no God, there are no Gods. As a whole, it is strange why It wanted at all, because It does not need God, Gods, Masters, beings, worlds. It has everything, the Absolute, but – an Odd Conception – to descend and to… So, to unfold. Many things about… about the Supreme Absolute, which are Concealed. This is because the Master has within Himself God and the Absolute, and He presented them to me. And something very deep turned out. It is not ready yet.

-Actually…

-He gives the way of expression.

-He has a part in this ability of yours to express the Inexpressible and clothe it in words?

-Yes, yes. Through numerous formulas, through Merging, right, through Disappearing into the Nothingness, right. It just Naturally… Because I may plan books, but it will happen as He wants it. Sometimes I start a first, second, third… but they flow, they turn out.

-We are making a new album, right?

-M?

-Strong power. We will make a new album?

-Yes, yes, yes.

-There are lyrics for one song ready, but… One song.

-We will make, we will make tens, but further in time, because it is just very busy now, the last… It has been about a year, but the last two or three months the fates that come to me… I recently read from the Master about the two nightingales who sing to each other in the forest and with Love… And He said: “What can happen in the other world” – the Master – “Well, one nightingale will stay in the forest, the other will be reborn as a human. And what will happen? Well, the human will take the nightingale in a cage.’’ – They are together again, they are together again, again. And this also applies to cats, dogs, the Souls, right… You may see 1000 cats on the street – only one will call to you. It is the one who chooses – it chooses you, the Soul enters, it makes an Emanation. You cannot resist the Soul, these are Supreme Vibrations that just… You look at it, you take it and you take care of it all your life because – this is it. One woman in England left an inheritance of 10 million pounds to her dog, not to her relatives and friends. She dedicated it to the dog and there to someone – to take care of it. Because she lived with a Soul and not with a dog – right, as it seems externally. People wonder what these relationships are, but the Soul is neither an animal nor a human, nor an angel. – says the Master – It is a Deity, but it has to go through this experience. In general, animals are fallen souls and they… they have their value, they must be loved, they can be in evolution together. I recently came across, by the Master – Why do some people eat meat? Because they have karma with these animals and while they… And vegetarians have resolved the matter of karma, they have entered into the Pure Consciousness and no longer have improper relations with animals. They have resolved and they get out of this karma, and others eat because they have attachment. However, this can slow them down in their development, and in one place it is said that if you kill an ox, it is like killing a person. We live in a strange world, the dimensions and people and beings are so intertwined… And the only thing that brings you out is this Love for the Master and for the Truth. There are no religions here, no rituals, no paneurhythmy – paneurhythmy does not help. Mighty Love for the Master, for… True.

-If the world is ending, what is the thing that you would take from it? What would you choose? This one thing you would choose to take?

-There is nothing to choose – you return to the Master with lightness, with a Pure feeling, with… Everything… You go, says the Master, there – this place, which you love the most.

-How will you embrace the Flood?

-The flood?

-How will you embrace it?

-I do not even consider it, since it is… You only think about the Master and about God. The Master is the Essence, in the Master there is no Flood, right. If it happens, you merge with the Master. If it does not happen, you are still with the Master. So… And you are already outside of events. And it is especially very deep what Maharaj says, right: When you say “I Am”, – God has said, right, in the Bible – “I Am” – these are… That means “I am someone” – here there are… all your problems are already here – events, such… When you say “I am not” – the Absolute – no events – you return into the Proto-State, which is above all kinds of experiences. No experiences. “You return into the Pro…” – the Master – “into the Proto-State”. You go back there and there is nothing to think, there is nothing. There… The Real Deep freedom is there, already.

-What is the formula you will do if the Flood…

-It will come spontaneously, but it can be just the word “Master”, for example. But it will happen, because this is your expression, the Essence, the Love for the Master – the Essence. And simply…

-You had shared recently, in a very beautiful way you explained it: when God says “I Am”, He says “I Am everything that happens to you”. Can you clarify that? “Everything that happens to you in your life, is Me”. This is one of the ideas of “I Am”. Can you clarify this?

-Yes, yes. Everything that is happening – this is God in your life and your karma. And everything that does not happen is still God. And everything that happens, is karma. What does not happen to you, is not karma, but it may happen in time. It depends, the matter is that we only want what is Pure. But “I am not” is the Deep one. God is a great limitation of the Absolute. And the interesting thing is that… Ibn Arabi correctly grasped it: God – this is the veiled Absolute. Concealed in Him, It is working. A part of It. It governs everything, in all the worlds, but limited, because there is no way, it is… The Master says: It cannot fit in the Universe and beyond it. It will just never descend. I have thought… The Master says: Some think that Christ will save – no. Only One God saves, right. And I have thought, how salvation can happen. But it cannot happen in this way, because if God Himself descends to Earth, the Only One, then everything will be put right. Because everything is He, but He cannot descend in this way. But He will make all the Aware Souls and they all will pay off their karmas. And someday, when they become… Then there will be… True Freedom, however, is not even in God, nor in Christ. It is in the Absolute, and Maharaj is right – there is no experience there, because there is no “I Am”, no consciousness. There, it is… when you have been before consciousness, in the Proto-State – then you are already outside. And there is nothing to realize. While there is awareness, there are pains, there are sufferings, because you have consciousness. Take it away from a person… lead them into unconsciousness and… They cannot… It is their salvation – from the pain and from the heavy suffering – not to have consciousness, and that is an advantage, but it is concealed.

-I remember that the Master says somewhere that, had He been taller by 1 cm, the Earth would not have been able to bear Him. I.e…To clarify something, what comes to you, so.

-Well, since everything is with… He says: Do… – in one place – everything with regard to the numbers – and He brings such a number that has been calculated. Everything, – says the Master – the sufferings, everything that happens, is strictly mathematically determined. Who, how much, how, how to suffer, how to… How to die, how to endure, how not to endure, right. Such Reason governs everything. It is also connected to numbers.

-If He descends with all His Power?

-Ah… He cannot show it. He has descended with a big… many things He has not shown. People simply will not endure, but what He has shown with a part of His Power – it transfigures thousands and millions. Everything happens gradually and there is no way for Him to… to allow and to show His whole Power, there is no one who can withstand. Other than that, it is… The aim of such beings is – they have Fearsome Power, but that is precisely it. When they restrain it, it becomes double and triple. For other purposes, they do not show it – they may even look weak at times, helpless, right. However, they conceal themselves in God, right, they may even give way, they may even appear to be a little cowardly, or something, for example… Nothing like it – because of a Secret Deeper Abstinence, because they are in Love with control, with discipline, with Love, with Abstinence, and not… they do not like display.

-If Christ has shrunk so many thousands and millions of times…

-75 million times.

-How much do you think the Master has shrunk to come and can it be expressed?

-It may be at least threefold, because He says: He has been through 9 Golgothas. The Second Elder has 14 Golgothas. Whatever we say – something big, right.

-I.e. when They descend, Their mere presence creates a huge impulse?

-Yes, yes. How many disciples have descended, how many Souls, because of Him, right. It even says, He has… He made them descend, because there are some – they did not feel like descending. Because everyone knows that creation is a heavy thing. Life in a body is, right… The body is a grave… it is also a Temple, but it is a grave, on the other hand.

-Can we say that…

-But Maharaj says: I am Unborn. There is such a book. But he… He realises that he is Unborn because he goes in and out of his body. It is easy, like almost all people go out, especially during sleep, they walk around somewhere, right… But with him it is… With many people it is aware.

-Can we say then that the Master summoned Brother Michael too, to descend?

-They simply descend because of Him, out of Love for Him. And sometimes, if brother Michael has a small dispute, there – should he descend, but in the end, how would you argue with God and the Master. And in one moment…

-Did the Master summon you to descend?

-Well, I did not think about it, but after some time in the Biography or in the Foreword I might catch Him tightly, to understand Him. In the sense, to enter into concentration.

-And how do you feel it, what, so naturally comes to you to say?

-Well, because of Him, because of His Summoning, because of the Souls, but otherwise, when I check it on the level of Supreme concentration, I will know exactly how to say it. In this way, in some of the meditations, in the speechless hours, so, the precise, the more precise reason, but because of Him you descend, right, whether it is heavy or light – simply because… Because everything is already in Conception and is justified. This is some Natural Law of Love, with which you must accept it Deeply. Because He never wants anything secondary. Since He has said it to you… Just as God has said to Him and wants to choose Him and to live in Him, and Christ wants to. Because They know Who He is, right? So They can reinforce themselves, right, and for Him to reinforce Them, and for Them to reinforce Themselves. But, a great Mystery. The person themselves, the Voice Itself, Life itself. And the Master, already…

-And will there come a time, Petio, to reveal the Master’s Vatan Name, to tell us? Or are we very far from… -Well…

-…that Truth? Because in one of the Forewords (of) In the Temple of the Master you say that, right, you are not allowed. In 2005.

-It may be, Denny, that it stays like this.

-So.

-Yes. Because… There are things that are Deeper, Sacred, Proto-Sacred, when they are not expressed. And if something is expressed, it will be to some extent, in order for it to be preserved… The Secret Itself likes to say something of Itself and still remain in Secret. So is the Secret composed. And the Mystery is Deeper, because the Master is towards the Mystery… And whatever we say about the Master, it will remain unsaid. Now, the second book, we are making progress with it – The Concealed Biography of the Master. Again, at times there are many Deep things and Sublimely-Deep, and still something remains. Because He… Whatever Names might be, right, He belongs to the Nameless. At the highest level is the Nameless.

-Because, I speak from my personal point of view, when I pronounce and repeat Hayaraya to myself…

-Yes.

-Instead of saying “Master”, right, in Bulgarian, I keep imagining that I can say the other Name of the Master, do you understand? And that is why I am a little curious in this moment.

-Yes.

-Indecent, I am sorry.

-Yes.

-That is why I am asking.

-Mhm.

-That is what I think, Hayaraya…

-Sometimes it seems that we bring things out and that we say them, but He, if He decides, it happens easily. If He does not decide… But there are things, they will remain locked, well, there will not be…

-A little.

-Yes…

-Enough, enough.

-Here you go.

-It is better to have a heavy life, difficult, very difficult, than, ah… and to be in the Master, than a light and pleasant life outside of the Master. There the Way and the Blessing are lost, and, as a whole, all those disciples who are now suffering a lot in the Teaching, they will make the great leap. And so, and around us there are many fragile Souls, nice – how they endure… So, I know such sisters – at least ten, maybe – that bodybuilders, MMA fighters, in such… In such events, as are in their lives – they cannot endure from any point of view. No strength helps, it is simply as if God loves the fragile, the Sacred, the small, in a different, special way. He leaves the strong to enjoy their strength, until one moment…

-Great, just so.

-Let us go to sleep, eh? And to train.

-We are very grateful.

-Thank you.

-Yes, thank you.

-You set aside a lot of time for us.

Translated by Ruah Ezekiel

Interviews

Visiting Eleazar. Meeting between friends 8.3.2025, pt. 1

Content provided by Eleazar Harash Foundation

Visiting Eleazar. Meeting between friends 08 03 2025

-If it is not working, then it will be a meeting.

-It works, it works. Yes. Well, let us do a formula before that. You say which one.

-Well, any one – from the heart of each one.

-Shall we do a formula for the event to go in the best way and for the Master to be present?

-We can, yes.

-What are you going to talk to us about tomorrow?

-Many rules about the importance of formulas. And whoever is diligent, how God gives them corresponding formulas – it means that He Himself is working for the person, and He sends Supreme Beings, and the person’s very Soul. And it is all interconnected, and how important (formulas) are, for people to get used to. Even, if I have to, I will share how I recently reached a record – 52,000 formulas in one day. When it is not… I will not say it to brag, but how important it is sometimes, in heavy times, instead of pondering, thinking about the problem – to think a lot about God, to give Him a lot of energy – and with this help, He does whatever He does, and… Without expecting, simply – you trust God, you do what you must, and you do not care about the rest – which means that He always does the best.

-When you do the formulas, you take breaks, you bring in variety, you do not do them non-stop.

-Yes, I always work, for years, in this way, strategically, so that nothing gets tiresome. A few formulas, Spiritual thinking, meditation, Divine thinking, Spiritual books, sometimes for relaxation – crime novels, some, which are more powerful, so, sometimes  newspapers a bit, sometimes TV a bit. Sometimes I do interviews, I do books – and all this bit by bit, and you never get bored of anything. It is simply varied this way and pleasant. Because if it is only formulas, only books – back in the day there were instances of 10-12-15 hours like that – books, formulas, books, formulas, but it is better to change activities, it is lighter that way.

-Yes.

-Mhm.

-But you can go beyond 100,000 formulas on an entire day off. Some may ask how – it is the Spirit that gives things, God. The methods are in God – if it must be given to you, it will be given to you. When it is important, He gives it.

-In fact, this is – certain formulas, you do them many times?

-Yes, there are different formulas, some are done with only one utterance, others 10 times, 100 times, 1000 times.

-Mhm.

-And when God gives you a lot of energy to do these formulas, it means that He is with you, because some may force themselves. I had a case of one person, well, I liked this one guy, I wanted to do formulas for him because he was in surgery – my hand stopped. After… He soon died – his first surgery was successful, the second – unsuccessful. He passed and then I found out, both from his wife and from others, and he admitted it himself, before that, right… That he did not have the idea, no development, no idea about God. And where there is no idea of God…

-Ah, in this line of thought, there is something like this, Sufis say that… What separates you from God – ignorance, impatience and acting of your own will – could you complete this statement, like this with…

-The greatest is ignorance, because… It is not bad to be ignorant, but when you do not want to learn – I consider that to be great ignorance already. That is the big trap. And impatience is something that ruins… It can ruin many good things, both from past lives and from this life. Something built, built – suddenly one case of impatience and you ruin it with something silly, with wilfulness, right? Wilfulness, it is always a punishment, and… This is disobedience that you pay for, you always pay for it. And I personally think that… If a person lives very reasonably and a very good life, they will still be punished, because that must be according to God. If your reasonableness does not derive from God, if your good is not approved by God, you do as much good as you want. I met such people, right… So, no, this good is not… No, it is not blessed.

-Yes, it is not Divine.

-Yes, mhm.

-And what happens to the Soul if God abandons it? When Souls have no choice anymore?

-To such Souls God gives a difficulty, which difficulty defeats them. As a principle, God calculates the difficulties of all reasonable ones, but to someone He gives a difficulty that breaks them, to teach them, because of great hardness, roughness, lack of humility, disobedience. Then the person can no longer deal with the hardship and misfortune, and they must learn their lesson in the other world. And yet He continues to love them, because He does not abandon anyone entirely. The matter is that the person does abandon.

-He has always been here.

-He is always here and always present, but the person abandons God and then they may think that it is the opposite. Besides, the Supreme Soul, it… It is always in God, it cannot be abandoned, but you know, I used to say back in the day:  the person created a second soul, the inferiour soul, and it is actually the ego.

-Yes.

-It is the big… There is no way that God can be in unity with the ego. Osho very nicely says: The ego – this is the Devil in the person and they do not need another devil. Another one may add to it, but this… This is enough, it is enough.

-I.e. this is again, in a way, the Will of… God’s Will for our growth, because He wants us to grow. Whether it will be in this world or in the next – we are again growing.

-He always wants development, yes. But with some people it is slowed down because they do not… do not… they do not have relations with God, they do not want them. For some reason they deny or something… Then it becomes slow and God will again think up another plan for this Soul, He will give them a chance again, they can still miss, until at some point, they have no other way.

-Yes.

-For who is able to escape from God?

-There is no such one.

-There is no such one. Satan, too, cannot escape from God, because how can he be  an enemy, when everything is in God.

-Yes, everything.

-There is no way for him to separate on his own, there is no way he has planned it, there is no way he knows what he is doing. The Master says: Sometimes the Devil devises some evil in the person. – The Master says: It is not him conceiving it – God is behind. He himself does not know what he thinks – he thinks that he will do some evil with such intentions, while God will bring good out of it – completely different intentions. And in the end, what happens is what God wants, and Satan has no way of knowing God’s moves, and… Even sometimes, when he tempts, he does not know. God knows how to tempt, and if you seek Oneness, He will teach you and you will rip strength out from temptations. This, this is for Sages and Initiates, while with the others – temptations rob them. But when you always want Oneness with God, He will teach you everything, there is simply… He even gave such a formula recently, I do not know if I have included it (for) tomorrow: “God, teach me to pray in a Sublime way” – so that in one moment… And again, He must want to become Total Power, in this way… One, recently, one such formula, a very nice one: “May God be Resurrected in our home.” – simple, because if He is not Resurrected and we do not get along… and this that the Master says, too: Let us live in Love and agreement – it does not happen only from past good karma. You will be fine until a certain time, when the karma runs out and the old starts again. And that is why the wellspring must be filled again, for it to become even better in the next reincarnation, and the next one even more… In this way, gradually.

-Can you tell me something about, about the parasites and especially the Concealed God behind the parasites Who wants, when meeting tyrants, for us to overcome these tyrants, in order to become more resilient?

-Well, bad thoughts in the deep sense, which are parasites, they appear like that – they are not sent by the Devil. God is behind and checks who is faithful to Him and how much, what they choose – if He sends you a bad thought and you choose God, which is God’s aim, God reinforces Himself. But when you choose the bad thought, then the problem is in you, not in God, not in someone, not in the Devil – you may make the Devil out to be… There is no such thing. There is something in you, and that is why the Master says: The disciple is not responsible until they have the bad thought. If they do, then the Devil goes after them. But if they have decided – if such a person has decided, they will get into trouble, right, but they will learn lessons – it is again God’s Love, He is always behind, He will always torment the person. And “Every bad thought and crooked word” – says the Master, – “if you nurture it and accept it, it will chase you, it will follow you”, – says the Master – “for centuries and thousands of years, it will find you, and it will hinder your development.” -We simply have no right, from any point of view. You train this, you train it and it happens. At one point it becomes easy – whoever says “difficult” – it is not difficult.

-I.e. this growth is this so-called Immutability.

-Yes.

-Which… what does Immutability mean to God and to the Master?

-Well, this is this Permanence, which clings to God under all conditions, regardless of whether something good or bad is happening. Because even the bad in this case is good when you are in Oneness with God, because you pay off karma. But something good can also happen, but it does not matter much to the one who loves God. They do not necessarily want good things to happen to them, because those good things often make you slack and…

-Mhm.

-Even, “Where are…” – The Master says – “Where is the New?” – and says, answers: “In contradictions.” And if you can encompass them, embrace them, in a way, that is where the leap is made. Two people who love each other must have many opposite things, to be able to grow. If both of them are quiet, accepting, it does not work in this world. In the Supreme Worlds it is possible, but here there must be… One of them must challenge, dig, in such a way, so that both of them can make a leap. And if they truly love each other, they forgive each other. The Master says: “If you deeply observe the person and see them in the right way, the mistakes, which they…  which they make – if you see the reasons deeply” – He says – “you will never judge the person”. You can never judge the person, because in their place, you would have made the same mistakes. Simply… That is the right view – Absolute non-judgment. And then gradually you begin to understand, you go from half-truth to the Whole Truth. If you are really done judging. The slightest judgement – you disapprove of something, God’s Conception – because everything is He and He sets it in motion… You disapprove of something somewhere, because you do not see and that actually becomes your problem – it is not God’s problem, it is not the Devil’s problem.

-What is God’s Will when we are very strongly challenged, deeply, exceptionally, extraordinarily challenged. What is God’s Will?

-Well, in this case it is to know yourself deeply and to master yourself. And when you learn to master yourself in such situations, the next One, Who will master you, is God. And He has already given you mind, heart, will, Soul, everything – it is innate and you must develop it, because, with being challenged once, you can commit murder – “The end of development” – says the Master  – “for 100 years” – or something else, right. It is difficult, mastering, sometimes there are heavy people, intrusive insinuations – but there is the Spiritual feat. Because you will be coming back again and learning your lessons.

-And these black angels who fell in Anciency, how exactly did they destroy this Immutability of theirs? How, what crept into them, in order for them to desire this… Has this Ancient Evil crept into them, what exactly happened, when they fell and violated that Boundlessness within themselves and their Immutability?

-All who have fallen, on all kinds of levels – have more or less separated themselves from God. They wanted (things) their own way, according to their own will, and I, as I told you, no matter how reasonable a life you lead, without God it is simply mad, because you do good, but God does not flow. True Good is… At the least, Deep Supreme Soul flows in the person – then good flows. Then even the small gift is precious, and the big one – everything is precious. But when you flow, you hinder God to flow in you, you are no longer in the Current of that Love. Like the True Woman – in her God is the Current, the Primordial Woman. Tomorrow we will hint something about the woman – He, God Himself, flows there. He is… He is a Seal, she is His Seal and whoever comes to know this woman… I hinted at John of Rila – he missed out. Miracles – yes, good things – yes. He missed the Deeper degree of development, because passing through the woman properly… But he had secret concerns that he would not last there, that he would be tempted. He had no Approach in the Depths, he had no… Because if you act with the woman… and if you see God in her, and you pray that God teaches you, He will teach you relations that are not found in the world. Because for me, True Love, what the Master recently hinted to me, such a conversation – True Love, this is to give God to the other. That is it.

-Amazing.

-Everything… yes. Everything else is…

-Yes.

-Right, you have nothing to give. From the very beginning, you have nothing to give, but this is… And besides that, True Love is a connection of two Aware Uncreated Souls. They may even interact as bodies, but actually this is external business, it…

-Yes.

-That, the Sacred. And this is why, recently, there are many such Sacred Souls around me, that is why I do many prayers, because… I have seen them, they deserve it, they are fragile… They work, make efforts, fall, get up, fall, get up, but they deserve it, and for these… These thousands of prayers… I would not even be surprised if one day I reach 70,000 and 100,000, because there is a way. I do not want to reach that, so that I do not get tired, because many books are also being made. But, if it becomes necessary and if these ones encroach – authorities, such – on the Brotherhood… I am speaking about the Brotherhood in the Pure sense.

-Yes.

-I am not speaking about those who argue, so, because… The Brotherhood is – these are beings whom everyone respects – all the brothers and sisters whom the Master has chosen. Here you shall not approve or disapprove. Since someone is chosen by the Master, it is a sign. Besides, you must love everyone – this is why I have such a formula: “Bless all my enemies” – because they are not… there are no enemies, they are seeming ones that God sends, but they are not enemies. If the enemy makes you Deep Water and if God sends them to you to insult you, to… In order for God to grow in you.  God sends them to you so that God grows in you and then removes them – having completed their tasks. So the enemy is a precious thing, but concealed.

-If John of Rila had stayed, chosen, let us say this Soul…

-A girl, I forgot her name.

-Yes, actually with her, how do you think his life would have turned out?

-Well – the fact that he ran away – it is not known if it would have turned out in the right way. He supposedly chose God, but there, with her, if he had stood up against himself, against his finer ego, he would have made a greater leap.

-What did he miss?

-Because I have read his wisdom – he has almost no Wisdom, like almost all saints.

-Yes.

-Right, and Johannes Chrysostomus – the Golden Mouth, so and so… He talks like that, at times such nonsense, that… Now, I wish him to be alive and well, may he be blessed, right – and he also denies reincarnation, etc… Like Patriarch Euthymius, he criticises the Bogomils – he is already finished. Like one priest said recently in the newspaper – a new priest, he began to criticize the Master. He is already in such karma… You, to criticise the enemy – it is karma, the good person – it is karma, and when you encroach on the Master – it is already incalculable. But we accept it. The Master does not need protection because He is such Supremity that you cannot see Him. But He… Because when you research something, then you have the right. But you must first examine it with Love, and when you examine it with Love, criticism falls away.

-Yes.

-Yes, the Master says: “Criticism is an abnormal world, you simply must avoid it, not share it. When you reach criticising, it is better to be silent, pray, ask God to give you understanding… Criticism will eventually lead to illnesses. Inevitably, you simply have no choice. And that is why I am speaking to many of our people, so that they can avoid, because when it becomes late… Now, like from Tolbuhin, a… a boy – craniocerebral trauma, four years old. How would you give him a scooter… And now they want us to pray, but late. And there are many other such cases – you think beforehand, you guard, you do, but in this world things are learned in a negative way.  Goodness is not… “It has proven” – says the Master… In the past… God has made an attempt in goodness – goodness becomes evil, it does not give a good result. This is a Master – to turn good into Truth and into Love. However, when you remain on the level of goodness and faith – you are done for.

-Would you share what is the idea about these events that are being held, these forums, here, these now – tomorrow what we will have… What is the Master’s idea, God’s idea, to gather people like this with… In such a way, with an idea, what does He want, what is His Conception?

-Well, the deep things, the subtle thinking, is contagious – as is the rough thinking, right? Like Hitler… He had a rule to master people, and to him it was not important what he said, but how he spoke – it does not matter what nonsense he utters – it is important to rule with insinuation, by force, right. And here it is the opposite – in the Way of the White Brotherhood… So, regarding the parasites, the Master very subtly says, I recently encountered a thought, that the parasites – these are schooled philosophers – from a past life – who walked the path of the Black Brotherhood. And now all parasites, viruses – this is a battle with these beings that are backward. However, there is something very nice in this battle, because the parasites can save you from the heavier devils and the heavier demons behind. They are the little trials. And the Master says: If you accept the small evil, you will be saved from the great evil. But we dispute, we do not… We think that…  And it is the gift that… To avoid the heavy things. Sometimes, we, from lack of understanding, from small sufferings, because sufferings are a blessing, they want… It is a privilege, the Master says: “It is a privilege, they want to make you reasonable.” And what was your…

-What, what is God’s Conception when He gathers so many people, do you have any idea…

-Yes. Such strong aura, where there are many Souls, and not mental people… It will… there may be someone here and there, but… Souls create a field, to perceive these Pure Truths more deeply, and when there is  a lot of Soul, the corresponding music, these Sufis, you know how they play with Soul, right, Pepsi, I understood that he will come – he is another Soul… It is reinforced in order for you to understand what is Right. However, whether you will choose it Deeply, with Soul, with willpower, with… right, with diligence, right – that is already another matter. But someone can start, and sometime… Tomorrow, for example, from some thought of mine, without me knowing – to be ignited and inside them a Fire could start. This attempt must be made, these rules, these formulas must be said…

-As we were traveling today from Sofia with Dilyanka, we were listening to the two parts of the Diamond Book, and I was ignited by an idea that… Say, Dilyanche.

-When you surpass the world, you are able to teach it.

-Yes. And you must be beyond the world.

-Yes.

-There is, with Isaac Newton, he had an interpretation of the Bible, he did not know deeply, and he cannot interpret, and Cyril and Methodius cannot, they… Anyway, but there is a beautiful occurrence with him – standing by the shore and saying: “We are playing with seashells”… something small, I forgot the idea exactly, but, ah… The meaning, but the idea is this: We are dealing with various secrets, and before us – an entire sea of Secrets we do not know, and we are still on the shore. We are small, we are small, because… And the smaller you become, the more you understand. The more you say… Even sometimes for an ordinary word: I do not know – the more you enter into the Depth of words, right. Because when you say “I know”, the mind has a barrier, and the mind cannot research, it cannot understand, it does not even ask to understand. There are people, they say: You do not understand me – and in them there are parasites and beings who never want to be understood. They want their wilfulness. And I do not have (such) an idea. But they, if they humble themselves in time, they will begin to understand on their own. And I may tell them something, or I may not. There are beings – they do not ask in order to understand.

-Aha, just like that…

-Philosophers.

-Out of curiosity and to…

-They are playing.

-Facts.

-Yes.

-To hear a fact, why so.

-Yes.

-The Master then, these parasites, no matter if they come in dreams or as intrusive thoughts, is it better to endure them, or is it better to ask God to master them instead of us, with formulas?

-So, out of everything, it is best to ask for Oneness with God, because He has created evil so that we can defeat it through Oneness. It is clear that we cannot do it ourselves – no human pondering and… And to observe them as beings, so that God grows in us. He, with this resistance, with this pressure, right, He tutors us. Sometimes they are strong, He makes them strong. They are weak, but He, when He makes them strong, wants to make a leap in you. Right, and if you miss the moment, you have to wait for another time.

-Do the formulas stop…

-The formulas should be every day and besides that, you should never rely only on the formulas, just like in the church they pray, but the Master says: “One wrong action – your entire philosophy ends”. Everything already… There is the big… because the act is, it is the result of thoughts and feelings.

-Yes.

-It is a result and it means that there is something in you if you act unreasonably, right? And no matter how heavy it is for you, you must act reasonably, regardless of your heavy condition, you still must, yes. Which is difficult then, because when it is light for you, of course, it is one thing. But when you are burdened – to be diligent – there is the disciple. In heavy sufferings is seen… The disciples, the True Ones – they are ennobled. In heavy sufferings. They suffer quietly and pleasantly, and become noble, while others make noise, in such a way.

-Yes.

-You withstand there.

-Yes, yes. Because, accepting suffering with Love, it humbles you, it teaches you, you know it is reasonable, you know you pay off… There are many brothers and sisters who are misled – sometimes they work seriously and suddenly – heavy and… You think about suicide and… I know at least seven – eight cases, they might even be more. This is your past, you are chosen, you are walking in the Way rightly – do not despair, do not allow it. The past will come, the Master says, “Your past life will always come and chase you,” right. It is important that you now… what you sow and what you do now – however difficult it may be for you, whatever your karma is, says the Master, you must correct your mistakes.

-Yes.

-Karma is karma, you cannot excuse yourself with it and to… to think that it is everything.

-And what should our attitude be towards other people who have demands towards us, towards our actions? They are often close ones or relatives who demand something from us, that we have not promised or agreed to do, and they are dissatisfied with our behaviour, and want something different.

-Can you give an example, or?

-How often, for example, how much, how to love them, how often to see them, how much, what, what should our conversations be with them, and it just… Naturally, for example, it does not work out exactly like that.

-Well, then… more internal relations – with such people, where there is misunderstanding, the Master says: you will speak to them internally, mentally, without voice. “Lord, give them light and reasonableness”, “Soften them,” and rarer encounters, and you make an effort to… to speak the Truth or the half-truth, because the Truth is sometimes a killer, there is no way. Half-truths are admissible, the lie – never, it is known. And then with half-truths… and how, how you express the half-truth, because you have to be in God again. There are half-truths that are in God, there are… And all of this is good for… You go to a training session, Danielka. It is not for… Like a subtle test, in order to see yourself, how you speak, and not what they want. You observe yourself, God is observing you, because in time, on Judgement day and of…  of the trial, God will say: What have you achieved? You accept it as child’s play, even if it is a heavy person, because all people are children, more or less.

-Even if… if… they get angry that we did not do what they…

-You, you, by acting before God in the right way, He, God will, in time… He will set them straight.

-I also have one more question: Before practice, I would like to ask you to give a formula for calming the mind.

-So, the mind is such a being that will never rest. It is the snake. It lives on worrying, it draws out energy – that is its life, to create a problem for you, to create a lot of control. When you begin to master words, because words are spirits – there are people who kill each other over a few words – and when you begin to master words, you master the spirits. And in that mastery, the mind subtly disappears. You enter into the Peace of the Spirit or into the peace of the Soul, and the mind – it cannot be defeated, it can be, like evil – God does not allow. It can be overcome with many such exercises. In calmness, in Peace, in Harmony with yourself, in not submitting, in restraint and in control… You train this for years and in one moment simply no one can challenge you.

-Yes, I mean that sometimes when I sit down to do the practice, to say the prayers and the formulas, and it starts – a first, second, third thought, intrusive, trying to stop, right, wanting to make you stop your practice, like that, for whatever reason. And, let us say, sometimes it can succeed to intrude thoughts upon 10%-20% of my practice. And let us say, on the 40th or 50th formula, I already feel a sense of calm, where it does not hinder me so much.

-Yes. Because you insist, Stefcho, and it…

-Yes.

-When you insist and you enter into your concentration, it dies with concentration, with prayers, when repeating dhikr, as… So, the more you think about God, God will master it – it is not our business, is it. And when you relax, it is still not there – it is very important to be able to – the relaxed mind – is diluted, it cannot cling. You must not let it… it likes to cling and sometimes it clings to some thought that is very pure, of the Master, but it is not for you, and it can affect you. And so, choose to cling to those thoughts that raise you up. Because the Master, at times, speaks on all sorts of different levels and you must… And with many exercises, right, when you think a lot about God, just at one moment – as is the case with the Sufis – it already… Think so much of God until you form Him in yourself – we have said it – and then already, God in you… The mind does not have any say, it has nothing to say to God, nor can it argue. What is required…

-Yes.

-Constant thinking of God, not only prayers – the reading, all activities, for them to be directed in such a way.

-Constant efforts.

-Otherwise, it, in small gaps, you become lax in the world – it is waiting for this. You prayed, but during the day you become lax somewhere – it wants this laxness, too. That is why I say: In the Bible, “Pray incessantly” means: constant thinking about God in all sorts of different ways. So that there is no entrance. Something like 24 hours working time, which is not easy, because the day is long, the day is long. To pray in your sleep, too.

-Yes.

-Brother Michael, as I remember it, gave one thing as guidance: about 15-20 minutes to read Spiritual Ideas before prayer, in order to enter some level. Can this… Can it be like…

-It helps, it helps, like ‘Om’ if you repeat it – any mantra helps, because it, in the prayers, right… It has no connection to the prayers and sometimes it can try to keep intruding, and to, right, in order to hinder. However, when you repeat to yourself, it… You rise up, says the Master, with certain prayers, upwards, it travels with you to some extent, and from then on it is already like a fish on dry land. From then on, it cannot touch you. It goes back and… and when you do this for a long time as a habit, right, and the habit must become fearsome. I call it a white habit, such, that…

-Thank you.

-Yes.

-Bad thoughts were never the problem. The problem is when the person clings to them, and if they feed them for a long time, and then… So they have something kindred with that thought, and then it can become very dangerous. And the Master says: If it builds a nest in you, it can become dangerous. – and it comes to check you. And for you to love God more. It comes to tamper you, and when you get used to thinking about God a lot, such thoughts will rarely pass. And when they pass, they will quickly leave, because there is no entrance – how will they enter into the Nothingness. If you are Nothing, humble, right, how will such a thought offend you? What insult, who will criticise you, who will overthrow you – opposite there is no… How would you insult Sufi – they are not there. In order to insult them, they have to be someone. If they are someone, then even without offense… I know such people – life itself has offended him, there was no, there was no need for anyone to offend him. I shared recently, somewhere there, how the Master, with simple words… He is something very deep, the Master – something rare. Many books have been written about the liver – The Master with one sentence: Do not hate anyone! – the end, all the books already… Whatever has been written, it is easy to say, but you have to train that. And you have to take a good look at yourself – is there anything you hate. You are in a trap there, it does not matter if it is a person.

-Yes, yes.

-Whatever it is, it can be an object, something. It could be some politician, something, the war… Who are you? Right… Some would stop it… It is in God’s power only, no one can stop it. If He chooses, He will stop it immediately, but He has karmas, He knows why. There is the power of the Master – one sentence, a concentrate. The Master saves us so much, the development, such Love has descended, right – and this in Bulgaria. All of Europe has to learn from the Master. There is no way we can learn from them, with such a Master, there is simply no way. They, not only Europe, in general…

-The world.

-Such a Master, right, but whoever understands.

-Yes, whoever understands.

-Who like Him has accepted 50% (of) the karma of His disciples? What a Love… We cannot withstand. If it were not for this Love, neither my battles with the wolves, with National Security… All of this, right, I would have dropped out somewhere. But when it is with Him and Total Trust, regardless of whether the help comes quickly or slowly, or does not come – Total Trust. It must remain, and what He does, you… you do not have a say, you have no right to want, He knows which thing to do. And when they were looking for me on a National search, they went to ask Vanga, too, where I was, she did not say, and I… In the house where I had to live, in a garage, it belonged to one policeman… A policeman was hiding me, and a policeman was looking for me… Everything is in the Hands of the Master.

-You have not said that, at least I have not heard it with Word.

-In Govedartsi, this was in Samokov. And then…

-In a policeman’s garage.

-Yes, yes. The Master knows, who is His. You must train a lot of control, a lot of discipline, Stefcho, and when so, there was an instance, some policemen were threatening me with prison and Bobov Dol, the mines, they would send me there… The matter is to not… you listen and do not hear – you think a lot about God, God decides, not them, and in the end it happens as God wants. You must not give in, no matter what they say to you. Independence, an exercise in independence, right? But, you must be dependent on all Sacred, Reasonable things, Wise – yes. There – dependence. But the human things, the unreasonable things… The Master teaches you which are truly reasonable and which are not, because if you become completely independent, you will go astray.

-This is exactly what I think, that if such, let us call them Supreme Beings, at one point have said “my will” and had some kind of desire, and they fell in this way, how much must we be careful in our thoughts, and think about God, and… Lest it happen, so that we do not… so that we do not make this type of mistake, because it is thin ice.

-Yes, God knew, when He gave free will, that fearsome atrocities would happen. But He knows that later these people will return, because they have nowhere to go. They will fall down to some bottom, to some cruel word, to some immense loneliness where it is unbearable. And from there on, they have to embark, and He knew all this and foresaw it. So there is nothing to surprise God.

-What would you say about this music that we listened to today, that Stefcho prepared? Formulas clad in music – what is your impression?

-I personally really liked it, yes. We did not hear a few songs, but as long as the idea in the centre is the formula, it is a Root, a main, key word – and everything builds from there on. The lyrics are nice, selected, in general, this music… Artificial intelligence does things that the natural one missed, it has lost them… But there are also those, with artificial intelligence they started to make chalga, too. It continues.

-Yes, yes, yes.

-A process. No, which… each one will use as they wish and in time there will be no freedom. Now there is supposed to be conditional freedom… Absolutely everything, says the Master, at the moment – people, nations, animals, everything is fulfilling God’s Will. But some know, some do not, and everything is predetermined except for a few percent. There is so, a freedom for the Wise, and they know what they must do. And what do they do, right, they have freedom there – and they increase their formulas, they increase their Reasonableness, they increase their Purity, and there they are allowed to outgrow predetermination on an even higher level. In many other things, important events, God is involved, God moves them. So whatever happens, right, He is the One behind. Because people, due to many wrong choices, have lost their freedom and now they wonder – is there freedom or is there not. They have limited themselves so much, that if they are allowed now, to continue to do more cruelty and wilfulness, it will become too heavy already, as karma.

-Yes.

-Cruelly unbearable. And this is why there are many people who die earlier and die of some kind of cruelty, so that the demonism in them is also severed, because if they become from devils – demons, it can already take thousands of millions of years. And this is why God somewhere severs and God intervenes. In fact, that which cannot be told to many people, that He… without Him the killing cannot take place. It is Him. Because He is Love. He has given life and has the right to take it away. People themselves have no right, they will pay, they think they have the right.

-You have explained it about the war, when you explain, right, we ask the question “Why does a 20-year-old boy die” and yes…

-Yes. Many people, if they lived a long life, instead of dying at 5-10 years old, 20, they would have made cruel karmas for the next life. Both as a way of thinking and consciousness, as psyche that secretly accumulates. You think that outwardly he is a good person and you say: He is a good one. You do not know… God knows the consciousness.

-What we think…

-Yes, hmm.

Translated by Ruah Ezekiel

Continued in Pt.2 – Here

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Eleazar Harash – Greeting with Love for 8 Magazine…


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We shall make one greeting with Love for 8 Magazine – for their 10 year anniversary (10 years of live events). – 8.3.2025

Let Love be the Guide of your caravan. One Fearsome, Great and Sublime Reason guides everything. It guides both the ant and the most distant star. May it guide you, as well, now and forever.

And you have the wondrous and marvellous Guru Tan – I saw in you the big and beautiful diligence to be loyal and devoted to Serving. And this is why you have Guru Tan and your Pure Way. God Himself values the devoted ones, they are simply His Souls, because He Himself has made them devoted, but with their agreement. May the Love towards your Guru be Pure and Immutable. Without Immutability there is no True Way. Only where there is Immutability, there is Guru Tan and there is a Temple. Only in this Way we ascend above fate and predetermination.

Your Way of the number 8 is a Way which seeks the Finer, Subtle Energy – said in another way, the Pure Understanding of things. This is a Way – this is 8 Magazine. It is precious that we grew close, because the True Way towards God is not just a personal Way – it is relations of the Souls. All of us – who seek the Master, God, the Voidness, the Boundlessness – we are in One Mutual Way. A Way of Love, Mutuality, Respect and Reverence.

Reverence before 8 Magazine and Guru Tan.

Translated by Ruah Ezekiel