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Eleazar Harash – Meeting between friends in the room of the Master, Varna, 5.9.2024 – Part 2
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Question: And could I ask you, in the beginning of the conversation when the question arose of this strength of the Spirit, which concentration is. If, for example, in a heavy challenge, when you have such an aggressor, like you did with National Security, if you go the opposite way, of Dissolving, in the sense of totally disappearing, as if you… as if you were not there, and in one moment they maybe cannot direct their aggression… Is this possible?
EH: Well, in some of the heavy situations, I did over 11 hours of prayers, for God to deal with them, for God to show them. With the concentration, you already… with big concentration, I haven’t done all these prayers in big concentration, they are simply a current. But, sometime, with super-concentrated thought, then you become Spirit, you attract God and you accumulate huge power! In both cases when I have done over 11 hours, I saw how God and the Master crush them, and it is not just crushing, I wish nothing bad to them. They crush them and give them lessons, because in time they could kill people with insinuations. One of them, I still remember him, he died afterwards, he was just boiling with hatred. They were making me write these documents and lie in them, and I said: That will not happen! – They said some profanities, that things would get worse for me, I do not use such words, right, anyway. And you uphold the Truth, you uphold God 100% and the Master, and then the formulas are very strong. If you tell one lie – you ruin the formulas. Even if you say a half-truth – the strength of the formulas decreases, it is a very dangerous thing. And this is why we must be very careful when we speak, and then the formulas become power and might, and with concentration, the concentrated person is Spirit, the concentration creates Spirit. The concentrated thought is God in action, He is acting, He is on your side, and it means that you have the right to say Mighty prayers, with heavy cases of people in need. Sometimes, even in heavy need, He might stop you, so, I’ve had an occurrence like this – I start to pray because I respect the person – it stops. And he, with the second surgery – the first was successful, the second was unsuccessful and he died. And then I was given this, and he came, and he said to me what nonsense he used to do and that he had chosen the way of the world, he had to go to the otherworld while it was early, so that it does not become too late. A Great Conception governs everything. And when we are inside this Love, we can understand it, right, even though sometimes with some delay, because He knows… There is one brother, Rumen, who died – he was a very loyal brother, he helped a lot, and we were preparing many notebooks, books, when he stopped (working on) ships, for him to devote his life to the Master. And I was sure that he will. After cancer, he got sick, and I was sure that he would live, because he wanted to devote his life to the Master, but the Master took him in the other world, like our Maria from the band ‘’Chance’’, she came here from Sofia, she came to me, for a long time, anyway. They died with a big Love and with big gratitude, they did not say: Why did the Master not help us? – Huge trust, and in the very next incarnation… And I understood, because brother Rumen in his previous incarnations has lived four and a half lifetimes of heavy materialistic life. But now he is Entirely Loyal to the Master – he loved the Master to such a degree, that he believed that everything, which is happening – the sea, the wind, the air, everything – is the Master. And the Master is everywhere – He is!
The word ‘’Master’’ is deeper than the word ‘’God’’, right. It includes both God and the Absolute within itself – it is a fearsome word! In this book of the biography such things are brought out, nothing to do with Nikolaevka, diplomas, paneurhythmy… We are speaking of the Master as a Totality beyond the Universe, where He is leading us. He is leading us beyond. Not within the Solar system – beyond the Universe, there is no… This is why exercises in concentration are important. In the Image of the Master, in the Third Eye of the Master, in this (the Crown chakra) of the Master, in the Heart of the Master – so that He is imprinted, and in an important moment, when you call Him, right… Like I was in the woods and the occurrence with the wolves, right, no sermons work there. Fearsome wolves, three huge, big ones, they gave out this roar which meant: We will rip you apart – no comments! That was… I did supreme-concentration, I forgot my name, there was no time for fear, I forgot the woods, the sky, the earth, the wolves, the body – everything. And in a little while – you become Nothing, with focusing the thought, you disappear. It is called… I have done it thousands of times, maybe hundreds of thousands, but just to be sure, I say it… and maybe even millions. And with supreme-concentration, you disappear, you become Nothing, God enters and the matter is solved – you become an Open Door, and the wolves turned around and just like they appeared, they then disappeared, but Love towards God is required. The woods give such conditions, but you must not go to the woods, or to a monastery, as an escape from the world, in order to run away from bad people and… You must go out of Love, or when God and the Master are sending you – then it is in its right place. With running away, nothing happens, wherever you go, Love is…
Question: Even if you run from one problem, another one will catch up with you.
EH: A bigger one in time, yes, because the small one is given to you in order to escape the big problem. The small enemy, parasites – in order to escape the devil. The devil is given in order to escape the demon, and in the last resort, the demon is given to you, so that you can be saved, if you even understand what the matter is about, because demons are heavy tormentors, right, so – heavy passions, dark, heavy trials, more or less engulfing, right. The devils are in-between, the parasites are child’s play, and you must begin from them. Such people, close, offend you – for free, you must rejoice, and they temper you, so that God can enter into you, and in time, when God begins to live in you, who can offend God in you, in time, when God is within you? This is already child’s play! You listen and do not hear! And there is no way that the insult can touch you, and there are people – for two insults they kill each other, because insults are living beings, and when you give this insult big influence and energy, the ego enters, the dark forces enter, and there it is…
Question: I.e. this is like it is with the Toltecs: Where your attention is, and what you focus on, that is what you increase.
EH: Yes, if you are focused in God, the insult, it, still in the air has… it has disappeared, it is even, there are Sufis, so advanced that they do not hear it. Clearly expressed, loudly expressed – he does not hear it! Because he has no connection to inferior beings and he cannot, and they return back into themselves, they cannot take anything from you, because there is no fighter.
Question: In the case when, if the person has a situation in which they blame themselves and think something critical of themselves, or something…
EH: You have no right to that either, because you are criticising God within yourself. No criticism towards people, nor towards yourself – it hinders.
Question: So, the attention must be only towards Him?
EH: Yes, God, the Master and Pure things.
Question: Otherwise it is like the Toltecs say, you give away your…
EH: Yes, with one taxi driver of mine, we were traveling, and there… such, let us call them… They call them mobsters, but you never know, because there are so many members of TIM now, who are praying like… Harder than (people of) the Brotherhood! I know a few, they started with the interviews, in the Way… Anyway, we are travelling with this taxi driver and they overtake us, two tough guys, and when they should not be doing so… I said: Greet them and apologise! If… And they are shouting as if it is us who are at fault! Apologise again – this is a martial art, they have already been defeated, there is no resistance and they are left hanging, and these spirits enter into them and then what will happen is their own problem. This is the approach, the kind word, the exact word, it does not matter that it’s their fault: I am sorry brother! – Greet him and the spirits of Light push them in another direction. Here I will tell you one precious thought by the Master, towards the end: Be Pure in your thoughts, in your feelings and in your actions. If you are not pure, you have no excuse. – You may justify yourself: but so and so, but there is, and he so and so – no! You have no excuse! We are speaking, we are speaking of the disciples.
Question: …in the backpack, you put it in the backpack behind.
EH: Yes, yes. You shift it, right. One impure thought can sometimes mess up your life in such a way, to… the negative thought. To cripple you in such a way, to ruin you and bring you into heavy… a heavy afterlife, heavy incarnations, and we do not see this. But sometimes it started from such a thought, if you give it a lot of attention and energy. Why give your attention to it? Give it to God. Why give it to conflict, give it to God, to Tranquillity! And when you train this, there comes a time when, even if you do not want to, you become calm, you simply have no choice. Then you enter into Peace, again, you have no choice, because it becomes a way of life, and insults are one joke. The ones who insult you, want to take energy from you, they have no energy of their own, they have no wellspring, they have no tranquillity, they have nowhere to draw from, they have no Love. And sometimes, in this way, a person is sent to you, right – I apologise, thank you… – if you say to them: Can you tell me another insult or two? – They will wonder what to do with this… I have had such.
Question: On the plane I watched a film… Taken – where they kidnap girls, drug them, turn them into prostitutes – very cruel things. In such cases, for example, a car accident looks lighter in a way, but when it is with particular cruelty, especially heavy events, then how do we… what should our approach be, is there a more special Conception of God in this?
EH: Well, because He is everywhere, and He wants to teach both ones and the others, and they find their ‘’master’’. And in that one, one of Sylvester Stalone’s last films, did you watch it? The one about drugs.
Question: No, I have not watched it.
EH: Yes, ‘’The last’’… what was it called, ‘’The last kill’’ or something, I forgot. And so, they take one of his close ones, they do things to her… But then he gives such huge justice – God in him – he blows them up, he messes them up… they beat him up, but anyway, it is a powerful film, one of his powerful ones, a film with an idea. But I want to tell you that when someone treats you cruelly, they must change your old cruelty, from past lives, do you understand? It is accumulated and in time it could become big trouble for many people. These cruel people too, they play the role of being cruel in this case, they will also be smitten by cruelty itself, because they have entered into this trap, and in the end everyone will learn their lessons in this way, God will set them up with illnesses. Like politicians, right, they cannot love other politicians, to say something nice about the other politician, to see it – it is there. The Master says: In every person there is at least two nice things, if you do not see them – the error is in you. And the same with those people – someone is cruel in order to heal something in those ones, and in time God will crush them in turn, because that is how cruelty acts, both ones, and the others will learn lessons, and in time they will become like cotton. And heavy illnesses will also refine them like… because there is no… health does not help!
Question: So, there we must be humble…
EH: Everywhere! But if you… There are close ones: God, if it is Your will, You save this Soul and lead it in the Way towards Yourself. – But with added ‘’if it is Your will’’. Because His will might not be this, and we do not know, as I said to you, what is good. That is why the Master says: When you do good, have you asked God? – because there are some in the churches, they cure someone, they rejoice that they have done good, and that one can continue to live stupidly, an ordinary, semi-spiritual life, semi-truthful, which is the biggest danger, bigger danger than here. Because here you are at the bottom, with the demons, and all of a sudden you might want to become a Truthful person, because that is torture – the last degree, after suffering. And the ones that you say – cruel people. And from there, you may start afterwards, to save Souls and to help, and anything might happen, right, or at least you could be softened. Or as a last resort, to repay your heavy past, for which you have descended. There are people who have come to earth to meet, to hate each other deeply, others to love each other – in any case, everyone must change. The ones who hate each other, have descended in order to give each other a hand, because this will continue in other lifetimes, like this woman from Finland I told you about. If she had murdered them, they would be chasing each other to always kill each other, what would you need such incarnations for, when you have descended to repay and then to come back. Why do people reincarnate, right, and why… the Master says: Why have you been born on Earth? In order for your situation to improve. – Now, how much we will appreciate it, this is why we have been incarnated, to improve our life, so that our life in general can be improved on a high level – spiritual. Now, whoever does not realise this, will have to walk one heavy way in time, whether they want to or not, but these cruel people – in time another kind of cruelty awaits them behind this, which is the heavy kind. They will be disfigured from infants, they will be ground by suffering and torment, and in this slow way, like this woman in Germany… Many people come and tell me of problems and when I give… one acquaintance went there to look after her – heavy situation, no arms, no legs. And when I tell people, they understand that their problems are flowers, right. And this is very heavy in this case – cruel. But, this is a Concealed Love of God, which gives her a chance to repay her incarnation, because she has cut off arms and legs, says the Master. And the blind have taken out eyes of other people. To repay, in time she will come back, she will be born with arms and legs, whether she will choose the Way of God, this is her matter too. Do you understand how important it is for some to enter, even into cruel incarnations? Yes.
Question: I have one more external question, but…
EH: It might be internal.
Question: Ok, I will say it this way. What has the Spiritual world, the Divine world, instilled in salt, as a purely physical manifestation? Was the water in the seas and the oceans always salty? Who does the Truth from the Supreme world serve here, on earth?
EH: Well, for the world and for the seas, salt is in its place, because fearsome forces would develop in the seas without salt – monsters. The wellspring must not be salty, if the wellspring is governed by advanced beings, but the rivers, the seas – they are things which seek God. The wellspring does not seek, it has found, the wellspring is Self-knowledge, and this is why it does not need salt, at a high level, it is saltless, i.e. the True water has no taste, no odour, it is Water of the Secret. Of course, the Deep water is Love, and this water, the pure one, is the secondary water, right.
Question: (Salt) prevents from evil, so it does not develop?
EH: Yes, it develops anyway, and in the sea there are fearsome beings that live, but salt prevents nonetheless, because otherwise, with the big rotting, cruelty would become… It is big there in the first place, right, but it would become overly so, right. And there is some measure, in a way, putting a lid on it, some limit.
Question: And the dark, bad people, do they have an instinctive fear of salt?
EH: Well, it depends personally here, some may have… For some it is good, for some – not. But it is not a matter of salt, but of your state. And if you take in a small bit of salt with Love… everything, taken with Love, gives you something. Everything, done with Love, increases God.
Question: So, the matter is of this prayer: Oh, Great Mystery, You are the Word… Pour Yourself… When we say this, I ask the Absolute to pronounce, deeply within me, Secret Word, or do I mean that for the Word to flow in us – just for it to flow in the form of Dhikr? Meaning, what am I instilling when I say the prayer, because I am now saying it a little bit… I am reciting. We want to know what exactly is invested, what is the idea, or is it both, because it could be both.
EH: In these prayers, there is Deep Spirit instilled. Right, Oh, Great Mystery – tomorrow you will hear it as a song. A wonderful song, marvellous, sang by AI, by the way. And it sings it in such a way, with so much Soul, that many thousands of singers must leave their job. So finely, so beautifully, anyway. So, you must sense, you are obliged to sense what you invest – is it your mind, your heart… The Master says: With the mind and the heart you can never do God’s Will. This, on a higher level, the Divine Will, because the mind is a shadow of the Spirit, the heart is a shadow of the Soul, but when you purify them and master them, in the mind – the Spirit will be born, it happens gradually, and in the Heart – the Soul. Now, the True Heart – the Heart of the Heart. The Fine Soul, it is a marvellous thing, the Soul, I have seen it, anyway. Only God – the Gods are unable to do such a thing, nor the Elders – this is the Concealed God and the Absolute in Him. So, even if you are saying it mechanically – be diligent, make efforts. Small, sincere efforts, in time it will happen from the Soul, in time – from the Spirit, in time you will learn to disappear in the Word. Do not worry if you are saying it mechanically. So, some have stopped praying, because they say ‘’I do not invest mechanically’’ – the spirits want to make them give up and in time it will become even worse. And when you make an effort, in time… The Master even says: The mechanical prayer also helps. – And in time it will become spiritual, Sacred – there are degrees – Divine, and there are three degrees of Absolute, those are already…
Question: Let me ask you something about mechanical prayers as a plus of sorts, that they help you in a real way to be liberated from the mind, maybe?
EH: Yes, they are a preparation for liberation from the mind, and in time, when they become a strong habit… There are people who pray for almost everything, and the mind has no place to enter from, and more and more the Soul and the Spirit are born, and this is… This, incessant Dhikr, it will remove the mind from any point of view, and it will become one white… it will be a servant to the Soul and the Spirit, because it has no right to interfere in Sacred things. It must be a servant of the Divine Will, and that is the aim of Dhikr – to master the mind completely, because it is very treacherous, it eludes, insinuates all sorts of things, and sometimes it can imitate right things, supposedly. There are people that say: I feel that this is right – but the parasites enter both into the feelings and thoughts, not only in the thoughts. And you think that you have a Deep feeling, but if you have not attained this Deep Immutable Love, you can be so finely misled and to imagine that you are inside Love, and in time… I had such cases, a few brothers and sisters, I do not remember what it was about precisely, but: Well, I feel it and I know that I am right. – Ok, I step back. And in time such events happened, she said: Well why didn’t you tell me? – I do not impose, I share, no imposing. And they understood that their feeling, in which they believed, they were filled with it – those were other beings. Now, I cannot argue, I have lost this – even if I wanted to, I am unable to – there is no way! Because Truth is indisputable, and when you learn to live in the Master – who would you argue with? With Him – it does not work, with yourself – it does not work, nor with others… All in all, the argument… The Truth is born in Deep Acceptance, no argument!
Question: Why do we have the day, and time?
EH: So, both the day and time are necessary for us, and the illusion is needed, so we can know Reality. Without contrast, right, like many are in the astral world, such dead, who do not know where they are, what they are doing, in what world they are, they do not know where they move, they have no discernment and… We must pass through the day. When we wake up in the morning and we go: Good morning. – and you are already in creation. While you sleep, there is no creation, you have no mind, you have no body, you do not know if you are a man or a woman – with the deep sleep, how would you know? You do not know your name, you have no religion, nothing – a Soul, Pure, Free, Traveling. You wake up, one ‘’Good morning’’, one coffee and you are already in creation and you do your… You have been sent, yes, in the day, the day and the night will alternate, right, until you remove both in the end and enter into – not a sunrise, not a sunset – into the Dawn. The Dawn is Primordial, Mystical, right, the Deep Dawn. And if I were to ever make a new Izgrev, it would be called ‘’Dawn’’. But the Master then, it was for the Sunrise in order to wake them up, His aim was different.*
*Transl. note: The matter is about the Izgrev area of Sofia where The Master set up a residential community for his disciples. The word ‘’Izgrev’’ means Sunrise in Bulgarian.
I want to tell you that this is according to the law of necessity, so that we know the Depths. Then both the day and the night will fall away, both good and evil will fall away. For example, when one person begins to live in the Mystery of the Abyss, of the Boundlessness, there is no good and evil there, good cannot set foot there, and the angels cannot, and evil cannot. This is in the Deep Peace, in Completeness, in the Mystery. These things – no angels, nothing, everything becomes… There is no night and day, there cannot be, right, they are not real, and here temporarily they play some part. In order to guide us, right. There are people who mistake night and day, both help some, but do not help some others, but we must seek God, and not whether it is day or night, so we do not depend on… The day and night could be interpreted as this world and the other world, both are… they are not our worlds, right. God is ours, the Master is ours…
Question: Why do we need forms? Why am I in this form?
EH: This is to do with the form precisely, yes. The form is so that you come to know that you have no form, and sometimes through the love with another person you may know your Uncreatedness and to see, to realise deeply. And the form helps people to feel themselves as Souls, if they are mental people, it becomes worse, right. But the form leads you, because sometimes, when you are Soul, you are light. There is no form when you are in your Soul, when you are in the Spirit – it is even lighter, there those 33 grams are gone, because the Spirit is so fine, this is why the Soul was created as an intermediary – semi-material, 33 grams, it is nothing. And when it enters into this Lightness, it has no form, the Soul is a conditional form, but in the Supreme sense there is none, and this Soul must lead us to the Spirit. It is the intermediary between – the Soul –between… And towards the body, and then, when the Soul is purified and becomes a Pure Heart, a Core, then the Intuition enters from the Spirit. Because the Spirit is very fine, and it cannot transmit through intuition directly to the body, it needs an intermediary – the Soul. It is neither form, nor amorphous, but it leads towards the amorphous. The Spirit is, right, Pure Boundlessness.
Question: Can we re-live a day again?
EH: You could, during the incarnation. The more we think of one thing… Yes, some think that the Absolute is inaccessible, but when you think of It, this means that It is thinking too, and you begin to create it with your thought. And It, from time to time, has a way of revealing Deep things to you, and through God, and through the Master, and through Itself, and through Uncreatedness, through Unfathomableness, right… And to give you Deep, Mystical experiences, which are… they are not found in this world. And this is again, only in the Way of Love, right, this is the only Way, which… Without Love you cannot go near – True Love – go near to neither to God, nor the Master, nor the Teaching, nor in Wisdom, nor in the Truth. Love is the measure from which you go towards… right, because Truth without Love – what is it worth? Or Wisdom without Love, or faith without Love? It is already a game of the mind, right, and many people have ended up in this faith, which is… because when God comes, He will ask you: Do you have Love? – and there it is important, how much Love you have, and whether you are humble. Humility is a fearsome measure – we have spoken. I consider it a Sublime Quality, Humility – it is one step away from Nothingness and God already lives in the humble ones very easily – they are One. And if God wants to help one person, He mandatorily teaches them how to be humble, so that they can become His instrument, because the smallest pridefulness… In the moment when I think I am an authority… that some consider me (such), it is their problem. For me to not consider myself (such) at any moment, neither a Master, not… let them call me, some time. When I say, I know what I am saying, because I am saying it for God and for the Master, I am not instilling anything of myself, and some think that I have slipped, and I secretly reign, because it is all because of God and there is no… How could you be an authority? Even the Master in one place says: There is no Deunov – only God’s Will. – And for this occurrence there, at the end of His life, towards the end when he says, for His Teaching: One microscopic work was done. – This is the Power of the Master. This is not made-up humility, this is Deep Real Humility, this is why God and Christ wanted so much to enter into Him, for Him to allow this, and He united (with them), and this is why the Teaching is so Deep. Before all it is due to Humility. Music, paneurhythmy, they are between the rest. Here is the Secret of the Master, because Humility is the Nothingness, in which you work together with God, with the Absolute and with all the Hierarchies. Yes, there is the power and there is actually the Essence of the Teaching. Rituals and so on – yes, pleasant – far from the Truth! Yes.
Question: Should I consider that the Soul travels and learns up there, in the other world, in the Divine or the astral, or there, where the School is? Because I have the feeling, right, I have this feeling that these last years something happens between 1 and 2 A.M. After 2 A.M. somehow suddenly it wakes me up and for example, I have some memories, some experiences, and it happens always. Let us say in a larger period of time, between 12 A.M. and 2 A.M., around 2 A.M. something always happens, for example, you climb the stairway, something happens, what else, for example, some experience. Should I consider that this is the Soul going to learn, we say that the Soul is in us, and in the Divine world. Right, you have descended with…
EH: The Soul itself is a Divine world, it is a Deity in itself, a Divine world.
Question: But we say, right, that in the world you have descended with a part of the Soul. Should we consider that when we sleep and when we say this prayer, the Soul truly goes higher up, so that we learn in the School of life?
EH: So, there are two moments. One is, keep doing this, from time to time the Soul will radiate itself and will learn, and in time when you attain that Fiery Love, that Fiery Thought, there is not a drop of duality there anymore. You will say it in such a way that you will not have questions like this. The Fiery Thought – in it there is no duality. The Fiery Love, this Divine Love. There, the Soul already learns in all cases from the very beginning. Right, and here, at night, you are lying on your bed, your Soul wanders to the sea, you dream about something, somewhere in some country, right – how did the Soul pass through the walls? For it, there are no walls. It travels, it learns.
…If you start to train speaking the Truth, to observe, to be vigilant over every word, you will mandatorily say many lies. 2-3 such half-truths a month, slipped words, because… But, you have no karma already, because you have given an oath to serve, and the Truth teaches you and your mistakes are not written down – they already guide you into the light, and not in the karma – that is the difference. So, you should not worry when sometimes you slipped up with a word, you offended, you lied, you say half-true… That is the school, and in time, for a month you will make one mistake, then every 2-3 months, then one mistake a year – that is what Sages do. So that… even, Sages are sent a mistake by the Supreme world, so that they do not become prideful, so that God protects them. And notice, I am speaking to you of the Supreme world – it sends a mistake, it calculates events – not the inferior world! And in time it will become a habit and you cannot lie if you wanted to. But this is after a lot of practical work.
Question: I once even tried giving advice to a friend, and I prayed: God, help me to give the best advice to my friend – and I felt that I should not be giving advice, but tell him to use a prayer himself, and to turn to God.
EH: In principle, it is better if the person is asking for advice, and not that you impose it on them.
Question: Well, I grasped something fine there, which…
EH: You needed it for experience.
Question: …and in the (spiritual) diary.
EH: Yes, you write it down. Everything is practiced, with sincere efforts, and it starts to happen gradually, and the Spirit of Truth begins to teach you. Even, back in the day when I gave up on sweets, I wanted (to give up on) many things, but one of them was sweets. All the temptations of the world, one by one – training, but even one elementary thing about sweets, these pastries, I had to train – once a week, and almost the whole day I would get pastries, cakes – for the day. The rest of the time I do not eat (them), then every two weeks, so that it is not abrupt. I know people who gave up on alcohol abruptly and they killed themselves, and it is very dangerous, right. Gradually, strategically, in time once a month – sweets one day a month, then once every 2-3 months, and in one moment I saw that this is already child’s play. And I was visiting a friend, and his wife made some pastries with white sugar… and ‘’here you go’’, but insisting. I said: If you want me to never set foot in this house again – he immediately understood about… When you train it, you can say: The end! – and for it to be the end, right. And not to play, right, even such an elementary thing, you must sometimes train it, elementary, in order to say goodbye, right. Let us not even speak about the Deep things…
Question: I wanted to ask this too, about temptations, how do we beat them?
EH: Yes, you grab them one by one and you want for God to teach you, and God to help you. The corresponding formula and, gradually…
Question: It is actually God that defeats them, not us?
EH: He wants it to be, together with us. He teaches us, trains us, mistakes happen, and He wants these mistakes, He sends the mistakes, but He calculates for you, because if you choose your own mistakes – not good. He calculates them, in order to teach you, and in the end He defeats them, and it already becomes… like a musician is able to play with their eyes closed. They are so trained that they can close their eyes.
Question: May I ask something as well, in this same connection, entirely silly, of course but…
EH: There is no ‘’silly’’ when it is sincere. Yes.
Question: I do not drink alcohol either, but very often I end up in companies in which… ‘’But no, it is for my health, just one sip’’… Many times I end up in a situation where I say to myself: Instead of explaining to 30 people every time why, what are the reasons if this happens, am I sick, am I not, do I feel ill, am I insane… I say: OK. I say: God, forgive me – I take one sip for (their) good health. With this, am I breaking my, how to say, my own…
EH: Yes, I will tell you sincerely, yes. I have, gifted by many people, cognac, rakia, wine. Recently I ordered this wine myself, with aronia and brown sugar, was it? But strictly in the evening, now, sometimes I forget to… even though it sits next to me. Strictly 4 sips or 4 sips twice, which amount to one sip. It is very valuable for the discipline! Not to let loose, just as training, you make a joke with alcohol, you reign, like that! They cannot make you drink, and it is better to drink a little and to rule it, than not to drink – or to drink a lot – and to pretend to be strictly sober. I can cut it out any way I want to, like I had stopped coffee. But then, because I have low blood pressure, I understood from the Master, that it is medicinal, and that it is medicine, and I understood that my measure is two coffees a day, and the second can be decaf. And I make them in my way, with coconut sugar, which is the best kind, anyway, it does not matter, and with a little rice milk, a small thing – and it works in a medicinal way. But I had stopped it, and I can go without it, but I saw that it helps, and why would you not allow it, and especially when the Master has said it. About wine He has said a maximum of 50 grams, to tone the blood. But 50 grams is a lot for me, and 30 grams is a lot, but I want to say: I can cut it out altogether, but in this way, when I have it and when I allow 4 sips twice, they are small sips, they amount to 1 sip, and you train, and it is something like prophylactic at the end of the evening. Yes.
Question: He meant that he has given an oath, not that he has a problem with alcohol, but the question is, if he takes one sip, is he breaking it?
EH: So, the oath, this oath is not reasonable, because sometimes you might offend. Back in the day when I was a piccolo at Golden Sands, I decided I’ll stop accepting tips, but one time this German guy gave me a tip. I did not like tips, anyway, and I refused him, and he spat on me, or something, he got offended. And then I understood that I am making some mistake, and I decided to allow it, but not want it internally. I trained, I was the piccolo, who was known for not taking tips. Anyway, and in time I accepted them without… and I bought notebooks there, I had a room, I had won the trust of Golden Sands, I was a piccolo there for years. And I had a room, where notebooks, pens, I worked in it and greeted the sunrise, anyway. But internally I could not tolerate, like the colleagues. They used to leave the bags and wait… and I ran off – it’s still not right. Leave calmly – all of this is trained, so in the way of this training, in the end you grasp the measure. The matter is to be sincere towards yourself and towards God and the Master. So your oath is not reasonable, allow it from time to time, but really, only a few sips, because of the will. It will become stronger than when you do not drink and think that you are sober, do you understand me? It is simple, yes.
Question: For people, if they do not want advice, and we do not give such. Do we have the right to teach our children? For example, we tell them: Well, if you do this, it is not good for you – do we have the right?
EH: Yes, so I will tell you. If they listen to you and they want to listen, and partially they ask you or want to listen to you – then yes. If they do not listen, says the Master: You shall speak to them in your mind, you will give them advice – God, give my child light and reasonableness, teach it the right experience, teach it the Right Way. Teach it to gain Divine experience, teach it to walk in Your Way. Or ‘’God is the Absolute Guide of my child in all its Ways’’ – for example. And these are deeper things than advice, but from time to time, if it asks you, or you feel, for example: Can I share something with you, would you like me to? – and if it wants to, you can say bit by bit, but generally people accept internal advice better, and especially while they sleep. One mother from Tolbuhin helped her son a lot, when I told her to send to him, while he is sleeping, thoughts in his Third eye – that he will find a job, that he will succeed. He cannot rid himself of work now.
Question: And when it asks me all the time: What should I do? – for everything. A different case, different.
EH: Well, firstly, it cannot ask you ‘’all the time’’, you must get rid of this expression, because in time you will enter into the lie. There is no such… you are sometimes sleeping, sometimes you do not see each other, right, and from here, you must start training. And secondly, if it asks you frequently, you will say: Learn to ask me more rarely, and more reasonably and more to the point, so that I can answer you more deeply – but always with a friendly tone. There will come a time and it will understand that it must ask you more rarely, it will do it rarer – whether it wants to, or not, because it will not have a choice. All of this happens gradually, this is why we must have great patience towards people. Patience means: the Power of Love. To await things and for them to ripen, right, and then you will be understood, even if it is a mad person.
Question: I think that because you have mentioned that each of us awaits one Golgotha, a heavy leap, heavy trials and different physical sufferings. How should we pass through them, so that they cannot remind us of themselves in future lifetimes beyond the law of forgetting? Is there some method to not allow them so much, and physically too, sufferings?
EH: Sufferings? Well, both the physical and psychic. You have heard, the Master has said: If we take them away, that is the worst thing we could do. There your lessons are concealed, precisely, your personal growth with this specific suffering, and as I have said: Each person must make strictly determined mistakes, from which they will grow – they cannot avoid them. And if they have a feeling of guilt that they are making these mistakes – then even more… The feeling of guilt is a very stupid thing. It was brought in by the churches and society as a supposed conscience. Looking at it deeply, the person should not have a conscience, but they must have Pure Consciousness – discerning one. Because the conscience is, what society says and then you do not consider God. And God has given you this suffering, in order to make a leap in you, together with you. And if you listen to the voice of suffering, instead of the voice of Love and of the Master, right… Your leap is there! I want to say, the Pure consciousness will give you the difference, why you suffer, what is God’s aim, and in this way you will shorten your time, if you accept it with Love. If you do not accept this suffering with Love, it will be prolonged, and inside you is the key to shorten it, right, or to broaden it, yes. Suffering is a privilege – says the Master. We published a whole book about suffering, as a whole, many people did not love it, because the topic itself looks such, but it is a very precious thing. Noone, people cannot become truthful without suffering and without illnesses in this world. They would simply become much more cruel, and illnesses deal with some cruel people, I have observed, how they make them soft and careful and how this person, in this way, wonders what to say not to offend you, and before they were dangerous, right. There are illnesses, they crush and they soften. Health cannot do such a thing.
Question: Is this not precisely how Love is chased away from inside the Soul, through these sufferings? And from there, somehow, afterwards, if the Soul withstands and has Love, from there, the Spirit too…
EH: If the Soul has Love, it will withstand. Actually it is God in us that withstands. We think sometime: We withstand the trial. No! He in us withstands it together with us, in order to grow inside of us, and we must be careful again, right: I withstood, I attained, without external help, no one helped me… – many beings were helping you, but you did not see them – both visible and invisible, they were helping you! Ok, is it enough for today? I will say a joke at the end. A doctor said to his patient: Do you drink alcohol? – I do! – And how old are you? – I’m 79. – You look really good! – Oh no, that is from the alcohol!. – In pure jokes there is always this light energy, it is free, it flows…
Translated by Ruah Ezekiel
